New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: RS aero
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

RS aero
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 3233343536 141>
Author
  Share Topic Share Topic  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Woodburner View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 13 Mar 15
Location: Folkestone Kent
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 332 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Woodburner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: RS aero
    Posted: 30 Mar 15 at 10:10am
Didn't the RS 300 have two rigs? I never read any moaning about them. We're going to have to deal with an RS100 our lead Laser and MPS sailor has had a knee operation and gone for one rather than a Blaze, now he is good, so he'll get yardsticked for the 10.2 rig whatever, but he's a big guy and if he did change down, chances are it will be howling anyway. I'm not sure what happens with the Mackerelati I've noticed my old mate recording both Standard and Radial results in the same series and now the Laser fleet is getting quite large I guess it's a nettle we'll have to grasp, especially now that Radial handicap has reached Bandit territory of epic proportion thanks to the PYAG blunderers.
Foil fun
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 15 at 9:57am
The 10.2 on the 100 was a bit of a gybing mare in real wind, whereas the 8.4 was spot on , thats why it died. 

The aero 9 is powerful, but very manageable so I don't see that happening.

The rules are pretty clear, three separate classes. 

 They have taken the opportunity to set out some base handicaps. I guess the handicaps are there for this season as the RYA haven't set an EN. Its the 'Lymington' formula on 'reefing' which seems fair enough but not sure it needed to be in the rules.
Back to Top
Eminoxon View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 12 Jun 13
Location: Bicester
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 32 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Eminoxon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 15 at 9:51am
I read them as being the same as the laser then. You are governed by class rules whether you are at a class event or in a handicap fleet surely? in which case 3 rigs, 3 classes
Newtothis
RS feva 4624, share Rs200 1317, daughters RS tera 798 rs aero 1301
Back to Top
turnturtle View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 05 Dec 14
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2538 		Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 15 at 9:46am
Originally posted by Peaky

Roger, AIUI those numbers are the numbers to use at class events - somewhat confusingly racing handicap at single class events. They are not the number (for there should be only one) to be used in general open racing, which the RYA will, in the fullness of time, be responsible for calculating/suggesting.

How else would you recommend they do it.... numbers at RS Events are dipping in most fleets.  

One poor sod turned up to the winters in their RS500 and had no one else to sail against.  I hope they're a glass half full kind of crew....  otherwise they came last.  200 numbers weren't much to write about either.  And the Vareo is all-but dead now.   The one class which is showing real promise is the RS300... but that's just Steve and Co making 'boo faces' with flashlights at the end of the tunnel.   

No one races a 10.2 anymore in the 100s.  So clearly RS don't want that to happen with the Aero- what happens if the Aero 7 gets too popular and the 9 fades away, or simply drops below a nominal 'critical mass' at circuit events?  F*ck... RS just lost its Fat Dad offering.... and there are a lot of us.      

I think we all need to remember that these rules are written with a total focus around RS class events- how they impact on club PY racing is not really given much thought.  Taken in isolation of a class organised event, the document and rule set makes sense and seems fair.  But if I were an organiser of club racing, a handicap open or sitting on the PYAG and needed to consider the impact on competitors from other classes, classes who don't write their own PY numbers, I'd probably treat that document with a similar level of contempt in response.  

It would be good to get clarity from the RYA/PYAG as to what input they have had in the drafting of these class rules.  I would assume none...  but I might as well throw it out there, does this explain the apparent stalling of an EN (or indeed 3 of them) from the 2015 release?




Edited by turnturtle - 30 Mar 15 at 9:52am
Back to Top
turnturtle View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 05 Dec 14
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2538 		Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 15 at 9:38am
Originally posted by ex laser

Originally posted by turnturtle

on another note, I noticed on SA (in the Zero thread), that someone said there was going to a change of focus away from three separate classes into one class with 'reefing options' for the RS Aero.  
I'm assuming that is just BS / the 'UJ end of the tiller extension' talk?
Anyone know anything about that?  


Wasn't it discussed on here as well? BS I think, well I hope so. If I ever had one, I would want a 7 and want a separate handicap for it.

Anyway I cannot remember when I've had more fun on y&y, but am of to work now. Have fun guys and girls.

so not BS then....
Back to Top
turnturtle View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 05 Dec 14
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2538 		Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 15 at 9:03am
Originally posted by Eminoxon

still no clarification if this is how lasers are officially treated?

Em - officially the Laser, Laser Radial and Laser 4.7 are three separate ISAF classes.

They have three separate PY recommendations from the RYA as per the list.

Whether your club allows switching of rigs across a series, and how they managed that process and the PY allocation is down to your club.  Some clubs allow it, some clubs don't.  Some let you and then issue the relevant handicap (and assumes we all have the good grace to sign on properly), some might opt to just offer the fastest handicap.  It's a decision for each and every club.  On the one hand allowing it enables that boat to get on the water when maybe they otherwise wouldn't launch, but the flip side is, it can create animosity amongst others who may perceive it be cheating.

Strictly speaking- imho - sailing a Laser one week, then swapping it out for a Radial the next is no different to a guy or girl who sails a Phantom one week and a Solo the next.  I don't have a problem people entering the series multiple times, especially if the usual full rig sailor gets to go out in a blow and still get a race with his old radial sail.  But I do find 'rig swapping' and expecting the results to be merged, is probably more trouble than its worth for everyone else.  


Edited by turnturtle - 30 Mar 15 at 9:07am
Back to Top
PeterG View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 12 Jan 08
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 823 		Post Options Post Options   Quote PeterG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 15 at 8:57am
Originally posted by Eminoxon

i think we get the option at our club to either have seperate entries or if u use smaller rigs for a windy day its all on the large rig py. still no clarification if this is how lasers are officially treated?

Officially the Laser situation is quite straightforward - there are 3 classes, 4.7, radial and standard (or even 4 if you count the 8.1 unofficially). You can't change your rig as you change class by doing so. Unofficially, of course, the situation is more complex and varies a lot from club to club, and within clubs.
Peter
Ex Cont 707
Ex Laser 189635
DY 59
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 15 at 6:52am
Roger, AIUI those numbers are the numbers to use at class events - somewhat confusingly racing handicap at single class events. They are not the number (for there should be only one) to be used in general open racing, which the RYA will, in the fullness of time, be responsible for calculating/suggesting.
Back to Top
Eminoxon View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 12 Jun 13
Location: Bicester
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 32 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Eminoxon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 15 at 11:08pm
i think its fair enough to keep a full rig laser/aero at that py for the whole series regardless of what sail they use, but to give someone who regularly/only sails a 4.7/aero5 the full rig py is wrong. thus 3 seperate classes seems the fair way to go. i think we get the option at our club to either have seperate entries or if u use smaller rigs for a windy day its all on the large rig py. still no clarification if this is how lasers are officially treated?
Newtothis
RS feva 4624, share Rs200 1317, daughters RS tera 798 rs aero 1301
Back to Top
Roger View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 23 Mar 04
Location: Somerset
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 524 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Roger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 15 at 10:42pm
Ignoring all the other bits which will take up pages here....

In the event of one or more rig sizes racing together the results
shall be determined based on the Portsmouth Yardstick system with
ratings as follows -
RS Aero 9 – 1035
RS Aero 7 – 1065
RS Aero 5 – 1102


Re the above, should it not read suggested yardsticks, and the actual PY to be used is to be decided by the organising authority? Or something similar.

Edited by Roger - 29 Mar 15 at 10:43pm
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 3233343536 141>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy