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    Posted: 30 Mar 15 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by SimonW99

I am not light and current thought is I am fastest with a 9 for most conditions.

In which case don't you expect to be beaten by someone who *is* light and who changes down rig much sooner?
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by jeffers

I would say this rule should only apply to RS events otherwise if you buy an Aero you now HAVE to buy all 3 rigs or you are at an immediate disadvantage.

nope - two at most.  I can't see anyone my size finding any use whatsoever with the 5m sail.  If it's too windy to use the 7, then imo, it's probably too windy to taking out a beach boat like an Aero.

Similarly a 60kg person would probably see a negligible benefit in the 9m... the extra drag wouldn't be worth the added power to weight gain, but of course that's just conjecture.  

Not conjecture, spot on. 

 I am not light and current thought is I am fastest with a 9 for most conditions. At 15knots I am fully powered everywhere, with controls heaved to the max. Above 15knots ish I either have to pull some board up or blade off. At that point the 7 is going to be faster. I could never see me needing a 5 unless going out in 27-30+knots at which point you would not be racing anyway.
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The 380 Raceboard Class is fairly open - up to 9.5m for men, 8.5 for women and youth:

C.8 SAILS

C.8.1. LIMITATIONS

(a) During an event a maximum of two sails shall be registered and used during an event except when a sail has been lost or accidentally damaged beyond repair. A replacement may be made only with the approval of the Race Committee. The Race Committee shall then attach an event limitation mark to the replacement sail and remove or deface any event limitation mark attached to the replaced sail.

(b) Size

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Mast length

6000mm

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Internal length of the wishbone boom excluding attachments

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3000mm

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Maximum

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9.5 m2

Woman

8.5 m2

Youths

8.5 m2

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Until they brought in restrictions the Skiff classes typically used 4 rigs. What range of rig sizes do (or did since I see the RSX has a one size rig rule) racing boards typically use?
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Originally posted by jeffers

I would say this rule should only apply to RS events otherwise if you buy an Aero you now HAVE to buy all 3 rigs or you are at an immediate disadvantage.

nope - two at most.  I can't see anyone my size finding any use whatsoever with the 5m sail.  If it's too windy to use the 7, then imo, it's probably too windy to taking out a beach boat like an Aero.

Similarly a 60kg person would probably see a negligible benefit in the 9m... the extra drag wouldn't be worth the added power to weight gain, but of course that's just conjecture.  
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Most event SIs also state that you must use the same sail(s) for the entire event unless you get permission from the organising authority to substitute. Substitution is usually only allowed in the event of damage.

For club racing it does not matter so much as a lot of Lasers switch between classes and clubs handle this in various ways. Some make you use the fastest handicap, some make you have different sets of results for each class you sail.

I would say this rule should only apply to RS events otherwise if you buy an Aero you now HAVE to buy all 3 rigs or you are at an immediate disadvantage.
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No, they didn't Graeme. You needed a completely different rig. The A rig sail is only slightly smaller than the B (9.25 sq m against 10 sq m) but the difference lies in the fact that the A rig mast is much bendier so allowing easier de-powering.
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Tell me did the A & B rigs both use the same mast?
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Woodburner

Didn't the RS 300 have two rigs?


initially yes- for weight equalisation purposes.  

the class lost favour with it as most of the lightweights found they could easily handle the B rig.... it was an advanced rig for its time.  

I think there's something in the rules still about sticking with one for a season or series or something... tbh, I don't think it makes much difference.  I didn't know of anyone who used an A rig at club level when we had double figures of them out on Wednesday night.

That's pretty much spot. A few of the lighter helms who had A (small) rigs moved up to a B (big) rigs when they had gained a bit of experience and learned how to depower the bigger rigs. We got rid of the weight rule a few years ago and you can use whichever rig you like as long as you don't change it more than once a year. The A and B rigs always ran off the same PY so there was never an issue on that score.
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Originally posted by Woodburner

Didn't the RS 300 have two rigs?


initially yes- for weight equalisation purposes.  

the class lost favour with it as most of the lightweights found they could easily handle the B rig.... it was an advanced rig for its time.  

I think there's something in the rules still about sticking with one for a season or series or something... tbh, I don't think it makes much difference.  I didn't know of anyone who used an A rig at club level when we had double figures of them out on Wednesday night.
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