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sten 
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 Topic: Devotti Single HanderPosted: 02 Apr 09 at 2:01pm |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b5dDbzKVrU video of tacking and gybing at Palma
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I luv Wight
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Posted: 02 Apr 09 at 8:07pm |
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Ok thanks - LOTS of tacking and gybing! (sten sailing it i guess, making it look easy)
It looks much better in the videos than at the dinghy show. |
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Smight at BBSC
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Posted: 02 Apr 09 at 8:45pm |
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I definitely prefer that set of sails on it as well ....
Looks like it has a serious kick out of the back of the gybes? Edited by Smight at BBSC |
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craiggo
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Posted: 02 Apr 09 at 10:32pm |
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My first reaction when I saw the boat was, it looks bloody awful, then when I first saw the images and videos of it sailing I started coming around to it, but having watched it all again I think it looks ugly and not very efficient.
The spinnaker aspect ratio is far to low and gives the boat a kind of retro look, after all kites havnt looked like that since the early days of higher performance planing dinghies a la ISOs. The low aspect ratio of the kite makes the rig look even further forward in relation to the hull and while not agreeing with GRFs technical reasoning on why this is bad, it does look pretty grim. I'd liken it to the assymetric disaster that is the Wayfarer World!!! To be honest if I was in the market for that kind of boat I'd be joining GRF in trying to get the frankenblaze sorted out, either that or getting LDC to tweak the Vareo rig so that it works upwind! at least they look good, and in my book if it looks right, its because it generally is!!!! |
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blaze720
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Posted: 02 Apr 09 at 11:57pm |
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OK OK ... we are nearly convinced. We did the odd crude trial ourselves and have monitored the work of others. We still have major doubts about whether you lot would really back it .. and by that we mean by throwing money at it in the form of deposits. But .... We will build one at least. Yes - a sorted manufacturer evolved Blaze with a fully developed spinnaker and complimentary systems. If it proves to be a bit off target mind you it will never see the light of day. If it does hit the spot then we expect you to get the cheque books out and no messing around. NO promises about 'gun turret' thingamees, monster (unneeded btw) foils or other frippery mind you. .. And we think you had better go on the beer n pasta diets if you are really serious (some of you may wish to ignore this last bit ... if you are already in the zone) cos we don't think to many will be up to it. This will be no soft option even for the lardies.. So when we finish 'Halo' .... Mike L. (aka www.cirrusrace.com)
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Merlinboy
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Posted: 03 Apr 09 at 7:48am |
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Mike are you going to look at the kite as a bolt on option IE same as the Halo?
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Norbert
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Posted: 03 Apr 09 at 8:28am |
Well i'm sure that between them Luca Devoti and Phil Morrison will now recognise their mistake and adjust their designs to take into account your comments!!  Seriously though, there was thread on SA a short while ago where some guy had been experimenting with kites and had evolved smaller and lower kites that raised the manageability and control at only a small cost in terms of performance. I know I would be prepared to sacrifice the ability to get all out performance to be able to get round the course lap after lap. If I wanted on the edge performance i would sail an Asymmetric Canoe. |
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Posted: 03 Apr 09 at 8:44am |
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I think you've hit on an important point there Norbert. Having a clear design brief is key - it is easy to get carried away making the boat a little wider, a little lighter and with slightly bigger sails, to get an extra 3% performance. But at some point the boat will then be too much of a beast and only a few hardy souls would be able to sail it. However, I've got to say that I don't find the D1 at all attractive, although I'm sure it is all top quality with the big names behind it. In some ways what it looks like doesn't matter, but in other ways it is vital because without even trying this boat, I am not a fan. It just looks wrong to my eyes - the concept I posted in another thread is much more to my taste. Sorry. |
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craiggo
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Posted: 03 Apr 09 at 8:46am |
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Norbert,
The Wayfarer world was a massive compromise given that it was being bolted onto a boat which could not be changed. I'm sure with a clean sheet of paper for the rig, it would not have looked like it does. I'd be interested to hear what the balance of the helm is like with the kite up on the D1. It looks like significant lee-helm could build up especially in the lighter stuff when height will be required to keep it filling. Just from a visual point of view the whole rig looks like it needs to come back about 1.5-2ft but the would clash with the daggerboard so that would need to move aft but then that would clash with the traveller track!!!! I cant beleive that the traveller is so important to the design that the position of the rig is based around it. |
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Posted: 03 Apr 09 at 8:54am |
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What is the point of the traveller? What does it do that can't be done by the kicker? And if it does do something extra (or better) is it really worth the cost, hassle and sore shins?
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