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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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The programme was set out last December and is still running. The objective was to investigate the potential of a modern NS14 type hull with that classes prefereed choice of wing mast rig as well as later an alternative 'stick' mast option. It was always planned to switch to a centreboard. We are now into the 'stick; mast assessment while in parallel the hull is being developed.
The 'raw' NS hull we had was very good indeed, not surprising after 50 years of development, but it simply did not carry weight as well as was wanted so we had to then plan a new hull - always considered a possibility. So more volume went where is was needed and while we were at it the hull was lengthened by nearly 20cm and widened by 5cm. There are loads of other changes going into the current development - you will all get to see in due course. We are obviously getting a long way away from the NS now but it is still long and slim on the waterline, but a little less extreme although we have tried to keep some of the distinctive NS 'look' - cos it looks so good. Peaky got to try out a stick rig on an original hull now fitted with centreboard but the boat does give some idea of what we have been doing and where we are going. As he says it opened his eyes as to what the boat really could be - and he is already a fan. It does look as if the stick rig will make it on Icon without giving too much away. There is still a lot to be done in the next few months - but in this market you don't launch before everything is fully optimised and tested if you want to win through .... ... and yes - (sufficient) development is expensive. The alternative is simply not worth doing at all if you wish to have a good chance to compete fully with a new class. ICON has to be right - we are a small maker ! There is another saying that might be appropriate "We are poor, we can't afford cheap things" - in development this is particularly true. Anyway once we have pre-production 'stretch' hulls and have a fixed rig many more will get the chance to sail - we know a lot of you are itching to try but please bear with us a little longer. We hope to blow your socks off with ICON ! Mike L. (aka Cirrus Raceboats) |
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Glad you enjoyed our chat at the show Tickler. Its always good to put a face to a foorum name!
Mike was full of joy for the boat before I went sailing and I thought "yeah, I know its fast, I sailed the NS for a couple of years". But I was suprised just how well the new rig worked, even though far from fully developed. The bigger sail area was easier to handle than my small NS sails - less jumping into the middle when the puffs went - and less sensitive to needing perfect sail trim. The centreboard does not have any noticable effect on performance and is very unobtrusive - not like the large cases on some designs. What has always amazed me is how smoothly the boat accelerates and glides through the water - it is indescribably different to most one-designs. And it is as happy roll tacking as it is planing, so really ought to perform well across all winds. But its not all about speed. This boat is good, really good, to sail - you feel so connected and in control. |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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Only joking but it sounds like you have found out why people sail a
development class! The Icon was certainly a rocket the other weekend considering the conditions. |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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Have you hidden the crew under the foredeck? Or is it a singlehander? |
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The crew's on dry land, taking the photo's (and enjoying a picnic)! One sail per person - even the 18ft skiffs take that approach!
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Have you hidden the crew under the foredeck?
As Peaky has suggested ..... he was the one with the camera and someone had to take a couple. You can sail it singlehanded but not in any real breeze of course - you can still push on very well in the light stuff. Off the boom sheeting is now another given for Icon as it was for the NS - simple, natural, gives totally open cockpit and light sheeeting loads ..... both boats Blaze/Halo and now ICON sheet the same way so less confusing for those like me jumping from boat to boat. Mike L. |
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Any news on the latest tests, developments and decisions?
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Hi Peaky
We are getting there - and it is worth getting it as near 100% as possible which unfortunately does take time. Extra carbon sticks are specified and are on order for the pre-production ones, sails coming along well, plug well advanced and ICON will be gorgeous and light. Rig development was/is the key now and coming along very well ... and oh yes so far it is everything and more we hoped for .... and rather quick. The speed thing was not a prime objective but it is always very good when it is so obviously in the mix as well without being extreme. But this could all be just promotion I suppose and we are very biased. Best to come along for a sneak look. The pre-production version(s) will be here before too long. In the end everyone interested has to try it and make up their own mind ... but we do think you will be impressed. Mike L. |
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Thanks Mike. I know its still early days, but any thoughts on kicker or gnav? Thwart or no thwart? Bridle or split mainsheet? Jib cleats/ratchets? Barber haulers? And all the other fiddly decisions?
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Peaky
Yes .... plenty of thoughts. The boom height for the crew is something we are spending alot of time on. Gnavs have their fans, fully understand the argument but they do compromise the bottom section of the sail. Ideally you do not have them and regular 'below' kickers are more effective anyway imo. The issue is whether the crew is OK with a regular kicker. We are lowering the floor compared to the NS anyway as part of the new hull lines plus the boom will be 70mm higher compared to the test rig you tried. Together they make a very big difference. When we have the pre-production package all together a final call will be made. One thing I can confirm is the mast - it will be a carbon 'stick'. Like the mast you tried the next ones will also be a bare 50mm diameter but built to be a tad stiffer. I'd like to stay with this as they are incredibably efficient but there is an obvious trade off with cost and we may end up going to 55mm. And as you know - carbon boom and even the jib stick system ... it will have some of the N12 type advantages and be permanetly attached but we are experimenting with a novel stowage approach that will not upset the air flow over the the slim mast. Seems little point in going for an ultra efficient rig and then dangling another stick close to the leading edge - but as with Gnav's a final call will be made once the pre-production hulls are in test. Thwart - I originally was in favour, or was that just old-bloke bias ? Having sailed 002 for a while now I think they are unneeded. But we do recognise for some partnerships they may be a 'deal maker' - so we may built so they can be a priced option that can be added if wanted or removed. And before you ask we will do it in 'carbon' if you must. - that is if your crew is prepared to wear asbestos hikers - personally I really would stick to a light gelcoat. (Peaky - you know my view on 'decorative' finishes already ....) Other fiddly stuff .... yes but we will be keeping things simple. Just be patient a bit longer - not long now ! Mike L. |
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