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    Posted: 09 Oct 12 at 11:24am
From a performance perspective I think that probably works, but adds a level of complexity that makes it too niche.

It's not all about kite size. Leverage matters too. See the graphs on p3 and p4 of this old thread.
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6900&KW=rs100&PN=4&title=assy-kite-size-optimisation
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BUt your handicap will reflect that unused kite onboard Tim... and the averages that generate the RYA list will include W/L results too, where let's be fair... a D1 and an RS100 can really excel in the light-to-moderate fluff that's typical of UK waters.  

Of course the answer isn't to adjust handicaps accordingly (the war of attrition that is handicap racing is well underway without adding the added complexity of kited singlehanders into that mix); the answer is in proper fleet racing for these new classes on courses appropriate for them hosted at clubs with a wide-enough catchment area to make it all possible.

Then we're into a chicken and egg debate... very few clubs seem to have the Gurnard/Parkstone/Datchet/Lymington mentality of buying en masse.  It's piecemeal, word of mouth fleet development.  A slow, laborious process for any early adopter- a not without frustration and in some cases, resentment from the established classes.  Or the other option- just accept what's on offer currently, follow the herd and enjoy some proper racing...  and much as it pains me to admit it, the latter seems so much easier when you take a step away from the sport for a couple of years.  


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Customers are always wrong once you've got their money, everyone knows that.

Call me a Cynic but let me think Phantom and Blaze both similar speeds, one suffered from calls of Banditry and it's PY changed significantly the other didn't and now it's sales have increased, I wonder why...

And anyway, no-one was asking for the Blaze class to change, they were asking for the platform to be used as a new "class" if you want to use the stupid word, but a new product folk were asking for and even now it would still better the RS100 for all the reasons the RS100 was wrong. I.E you can get back into it if it falls over, it actually goes upwind half decently, it even almost planes upwind if conditions suit, it won't fall over whilst you ditch your trailer, it has more righting moment for light weights, the racks are adjustable so heavy guys don't have to sit out as far, do I have to go on to sell you your own boat?

So now the 'Cobra' emerges instead, but probably less likely to get any commercial traction under it, but since the Blaze hull unit is already in production, it would be a different top unit or fit out and a smart person would design it to be a retro fit in case there were some none luddite Blaze owners being suppressed by the talkative minority.

It's such a no brainer only a dinghy sailor would miss it. LOL


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Post Options Post Options   Quote L123456 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Oct 12 at 10:34am
Originally posted by ifoxwell


I agree but I do fear that Pondmonkey is right, and the 100 now has the single handed kite market sewn up.
 
 
I'm not so sure, after the initial excitement it has all died down a bit, many of the 100 fanboys on this forum have already sold up and moved on ...
 
The nationals numbers are not growing http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/class/RS100/attendance
 
The class had such huge hype before it was even in production perhaps the reality hasn't lived up to the hype ...

Meanwhile the D1 seems to be ticking along ok ...
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Originally posted by Peaky

If you want a single sail singlehander, you need the Nemesis!

Originally posted by blaze720

All this has allowed us to start development work on another new design ... we'll take our time on this one as well but it will again (we hope) be rather special and that bit different again.   Will it have 'extra' sails ? ... we might just keep you guessing.   Yes you are right this might be the very first forum 'teaser' on this one Greame ......  

2 + 2 = 5?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote pondmonkey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Oct 12 at 10:16pm
Before embarking on roguish activities, I made an enquiry for a K1- with a kite mod.

I was bowled over by the lack of response and after chasing twice, took a consumerist approach and figured they weren't interested in either a) making a value added sale or b) diluting their brand

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What about a slightly smaller main with a self tacking jib? This would give you the balance upwind, reaching speed across the wind, the ability to run dead with the jib goosewinged. Then when the angles suited, you could pop a slightly smaller/flatter kite which would give you that turbo boost when reaching or running somwhere that you could stretch your legs a little.
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Luddites .... we are then......

It is just we are still selling useful numbers of new boats to people actually paying their 'hard earned' for in difficult times.  Used Blaze prices are also very solid and more important they sell very readily indeed.   Come on Greame just say the customers are 'wrong' one more time ..  surely a rather unconventional basis for strategy ?!.  We had just had our best first half year sales for several and still have modest Blaze backlog orders going into the Autumn.

We do not target (usually) well occupied niches ... well not at our size and on our own anyway.  The D1 / 100 area was one we were very interested in hence the spinnaker trials way back but was quickly dropped as our brand strength and financial clout was not the equal of RS ....  or Devoti.   I'd have liked to have continued of course but common sense did cut in ....  I'm very very happy with the direction we took (maybe had to take) and Devoti are already building their second batch of Icons now.  Do not be too surprised if the Blaze is also distributed by them in geographic markets we cannot serve ... UK build ones at that. 

All this has allowed us to start development work on another new design ... we'll take our time on this one as well but it will again (we hope) be rather special and that bit different again.   Will it have 'extra' sails ? ... we might just keep you guessing.   Yes you are right this might be the very first forum 'teaser' on this one Greame ...... 

By all means ply me with beer or Brandy & Babycham at Broxbourne on the weekend - but any details revealed under duress (or more likely the influence of the above) is liable to gross exaggeration, flat denial later or to be intentionally misleading ! Wink

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Oct 12 at 9:10pm
I love mine on my Musto - provided i am not trying to sail a round the cans course, but going down wind is so entertaining that i am fast becoming a fan of W/L
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