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    Posted: 21 Dec 11 at 5:13pm
FWIW- I'd love to get to sail a Blaze at one these events .....

Rogue - If serious get in touch with Cirrus  or the Blaze CA soon ...

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Originally posted by blaze720

FWIW- I'd love to get to sail a Blaze at one these events .....Rogue - If serious get in touch with Cirrus  or the Blaze CA soon ...Mike L.



absolutely serious- just not this year as we have another little 'un due in February, so no time to pick up a new boat currently.   I'm looking to get another dinghy in Autumn, or maybe New Year 2013 (depending on how 'routines' establish), but either way a Blaze (well actually Halo) are on the 'try before you buy' list.
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Rogue

Keep in touch then - maybe turn up at one of the Blaze meets in 2012 ?  Anyway we are  (mostly!) a friendly lot and we can always arrange a loan / trial  when you are ready.

Mike L. 

PS - Anyone else want a try ?  You might not manage 1026 .... or even 1046 at first but you will have a lot of fun for sure.
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So, all those handicaps look to be harsher, and if everyone moves down then it's not a problem but if there is some interest group being artificially benefitted by all this, then it's bollox.

No way should the Blaze be forced to sail off 1026, 1036 if the Phantom is at 1035 simply to retain the near parity of the two since on average their very close, the Phantom is better in light weather and the Blaze stronger wind but it works out.

The other observation I'd make is 1) it takes a peculiar kind of dedicated nutter to race in the winter anyway so standards are going to be higher, and the wind tends to be fresher. Both factors that skew rests like this.


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OMG I've just spotted it..

Feck me, don't bother to turn up boys without a knee wrecker..

Laser 1118 FFS!

Who's running this event Performance Sailcraft?
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G.R.F.  Don't be such a wuss!  Turn up and race!
I'll be there in my WOODEN scorpion so now you're simply going to have to turn up in order to attempt to burn it.  

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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 11 at 8:52pm
So Greame - your plan for V2 world domination has been anticipated already .... can't wait until your handicap is 'assessed'  but who knows hey ?!

 .... better get a Laser yourself then to be sure .... but if you don't do bloody well on that shandy-drinkers relative handicap (heads they'should' win and tails your handicap will lose) you'd better take up golf !  

God I might take an Icon after all just to avoid the single-hander revisionist numbers even on the punitive handicap offered.  Now where has that old Laser gone ? .. its around somewhere under a rotting cover  ... only needs a decent sail again.  Even old gits like us could do it on that....

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Well it wouldn't be worrying me, if I manage to get there, get an entry, get the thing rigged anything like sail worthy, get to the start line, the last thing I'll be worrying about is a bunch of laser bandits, (other than smirking at them in a 'I know why you're here' sort of way.)

Good character building stuff this playing field tilting stuff, brings out our finest sailing characters in a Roosteresque kind of fashion..


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The handicaps look good to me and good on them for changing them.  Remember these are just the SJ handicaps and they look spot on from the averages I worked out from last year..... Well apart from the Blaze ;)

  PY Last year Ave GGP 2012 Variance from last year Ave
BLAZE 1046 1041 1026 -15
LASER 1080 1112 1118 6
12 * 1089 1061 1065 4
PHANTOM 1035 1012 1015 3
RS 100 1005 990 990 0
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Hi Alex ...

Exactly the point !  And your analysis is useful.  Also have a look at the Flying 15 for example  - very similar sample size, variance from 'official' PN's roughly the same etc etc but ... you guessed it NO adjustment to applied handicap.  So the Blaze CA and some others could naturally wonder what really goes ....  Average last year was a modest 5 below the 'official handicap' but now nobbled 15 below even that figure.  What surely these numbers are not decided in the bar ?  On partly anecdotal evidence ? On insignificant sample sizes ? On a guess ?  So lets see the criteria / formula!!

Without an objective method publically made available for scrutiny some might just think any  particular number is arbitary.  I'm sure it is not but if the method is not fully revealed it may well as be exactly that.   Furthermore IF 'championship level' sailors are assumed for all classes as is being implied how on earth can the Laser be adjusted to be advantaged so far ?   The Laser has got that slow in recent years or what ?  Surely not ....  Or is the event just not being supported by the best Laser helms ?  If it is the latter then  ......

The impact of a particular sail cloth is likely to have virtually zero impact on performance overall when compared to these sort of significant administrative PN adjustments.  Got me thinking as well.

Mike L.

PS - I'm not picking on particular classes but examples do have to be drawn.   I think ALL entrants should know the critiria applied to their racing    ;-)
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