New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Why RS300 aren't really selling....
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Why RS300 aren't really selling....

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
Author
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Why RS300 aren't really selling....
    Posted: 16 Dec 11 at 1:06pm
I had an early 300 and I can only echo what is said here. The looks  and rig were advanced and still bang on today. I learnt more from sailing a 300 for 2 years than from any other dinghy. They are very quick and develop so little noise and spray that you only sense speed as you go past slower boats. However, it took me 4-5 months of swimming before I could start getting it around a good sea course and even after 2 years I would come ashore knackered. If you sail every weekend, then you should sail one if you get the chance. If you sail infrequently, then you may find yourself frustrated. It is very pure boat, but demanding with it. Ying Yang
Back to Top
RS400atC View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 04 Dec 08
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3011
Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 11 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by timnoyce

Originally posted by RS400atC

What's he up to these days? Last spotted him with some foily thing....



He's just bought a Cherub!


I remember him using the words 'Int 14', 'modify ' and 'chainsaw' in the same sentence, what's in store for the Cherubs?
Back to Top
Paramedic View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more


Joined: 27 Jan 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 929
Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 11 at 7:55pm
Originally posted by sargesail

Paramedic - I'm not sure what the linkage is between second-hand and not travelling.
Not second hand boat, second boat. As in they already own another class of boat and use the 300o when they can't get a crew.
 
People in this catergory are unlikely to attend opens, and unlikely to want new kit too often.
 
Therefore RS don't sell that many new boats, not all that many new sails and it just isn't worth them pushing it for the return they get. Clone sails make this even worse as given the choiced what will a club sailor buy?
 
It doesn't make the 300 a bad boat, but it's just found itself in an unfortunate niche.


Edited by Paramedic - 16 Dec 11 at 7:58pm
Back to Top
maxibuddah View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 06 Mar 09
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1760
Post Options Post Options   Quote maxibuddah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Dec 11 at 10:49pm
A lot of damage to the 300's credibility was done in the early days by the number that were sold and then found on the secondhand market within a month or two by sailors that suddenly realised that they were not good enough to sail them. Whether this still has an effect is not clear but certainly most people I talked too at the time thought they were too difficult to sail and steered clear. We trialed on at our club and everyone was very excited but found it not as easy as they expected for some reason or another. I tried it, loved it and bought one. Fell in a couple of times initially but then got the hang of it pretty damn quickly and hardly went swimming thereafter. I guess that coming from a laser meant that I was used to rock'n'roll running and the 300 wasn't like that. I don't expect that I was ever to Steve411's level but I enjoyed and won a lot of local races and even an open. I thought that it was actually quite easy to sail once you had got used to the balance thing. Sailing it in an 8' swell at Lyme was another matter but even so I kept it upright although not that fast. I only got rid of it as there was no local competition at all and I got a bit on the bloaty side and moved to the Phantom. I really wished that people gave the boat a chance in the early days but having it right now culture killed the boat in my opinion and it has never really recovered, and now that you need around 5 people to encourage RS to build them means that it is never really likely to either, unless of course as an independant ca you can tear the boat from RS's hands and find a new builder that is willing to get on and build them for one or two customers here and there.
Everything I say is my opinion, honest
Back to Top
popeye_ali View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 06 Apr 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 96
Post Options Post Options   Quote popeye_ali Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 11 at 10:18am
I think the 300 was built to be a production moth so only apealed to a certain market witch is very limited. For me if you are wanting that style of boat then I personally prefer moths. But if you want one design racing then it leaves you no choice. 
The 300 was never going to sell loads from day one due to the market it is aimed at!
RS400, RS600, RS700, RS800, Int Moth, Laser. Musto Skiff (current)
Back to Top
Ruscoe View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 12 Jan 10
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1514
Post Options Post Options   Quote Ruscoe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 11 at 11:23am
Cobblers, it was never meant to be a one design Moth, but it was designed by a Moth designer and you can see plenty of similarities.  It will only appeal to a certain market, correct but then same as a foiling moth, 600, Musto and Canoe does.  Not everybody wants to sail at 20 knotts in a handicap fleet.

However the 300 regularly gets top end of the thirty, almost breaking 40 boat nationals consistently, open event turnout is as strong as most classes, there is no denying there would be more people sailing them if there were more used boats around, just look at the amount of wanted ads you see for them.  Of the 3 i have owned i have sold them all within a week without discounting them.  If a new boat could be made for a sensible price then i do believe more would sell, and certainly take sailors back from the 100, but then why would RS want that?

Back to Top
popeye_ali View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 06 Apr 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 96
Post Options Post Options   Quote popeye_ali Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 11 at 11:34am
Not cobblers know all the rs team! And that one design moth was a quote! Not knocking it, great boat!
RS400, RS600, RS700, RS800, Int Moth, Laser. Musto Skiff (current)
Back to Top
sargesail View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 14 Jan 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1459
Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 11 at 12:07pm
That's all about perception of what was said and what was done.  As Ruscoe said it was a Moth designer and the intent was to draw on Moth heritage...but there was more to it than that.  I have heard it said, for example, that the expectation was that the boat was not ecpected to be sailed in F4+.  I have also heard it said that it was aimed as a beach/fun boat.  The latter I struggle with..the former could be correct, but the fact is, once mastered, it's very sailable in some very strong breeze. 
Back to Top
Nick Peters View Drop Down
Posting king
Posting king


Joined: 08 Feb 06
Location: England
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 192
Post Options Post Options   Quote Nick Peters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 11 at 8:58pm
The original concept of the 300 was "ultimate hiker" match to the "ultimate wirer" of the 600. Clive Everest and I spent hours pondering, but in reality the fact that it resembled a scaled up magnum 5 was a coincidence! It did always have a light airs, inland emphasis to it, but good sailors could cope with it in a breeze and waves straightaway even back then. Back then the market really wanted a "wider Laser with control lines", the rest is history....but a more rewarding boat to sail is hard to find, we knew it would find  a solid and committed following, have longevity as a class, and maybe a serious revival one day.
RS will build 3 when 2 orders are confirmed (3 is the minimum really in a "run"). The third boat would be in stock until sold - thus for every 3 buyers only 1 might have to wait a while. The Class Association understand the position.
Nick


Back to Top
sargesail View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 14 Jan 06
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1459
Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Dec 11 at 9:03pm
Nick,

2 big thanks:

Firstly for building the boat I still luuurve (occassionally still with a walk round it in the boat park starry eyed teenager expression, sometimes in a down and dirty bring it on let's see which of us gives in first kind of way).

Secondly for the continued commitment - the clear expression of where we are with the production run issue dispels a whole lot of waffle.

Matt
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy