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    Posted: 12 Jul 10 at 9:13am
Originally posted by Skiffybob

Originally posted by bert

So second attempt from a turtle because the CB floats a tad high & I end up in the water with a boat that’s up right but when I tried to get in the boat the BA got in the way & I couldn`t get back in - bugger I said,

So this left me with a problem what is the best way back in from the water ? ( never had this problem before ) I tried over the side - front section & rear ( bloody strop).

I found exactly the same when I had a go in a 100. It seems to float very high and then I found that just the weight of my upper body on the board brought the boat back up, so ended-up in the water next to the boat. Trying to get in over the side just tipped the boat in to windward on top of me.

I think this is a problem specific to this class, but I can see how you could easily get knackered and in trouble.

this also happened to me on my test sail, but I just concluded I was being a wuss.  I have since wondered about bringing the boat half up (sails at 45 degrees to the water) and then letting it go back over on its side but in doing so lifting me onto the board - don't know if this works.

in other capsizes I have been able to climb over on to the board, sometimes by standing on the base of the mast. 

[TT a drink consisting of approximately 50% red wine and 50% cola-based soft drink! - what the hell is that!!!! - serves you right mate - get yourself either a decent pint or a good Bordeaux]



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I think the foot loop idea is a good one. All the Vortex
guys seem to have one on each side to help them climb back
on board and it works well.

Not quite so easy on the 100 but if you can get in quicker
and by using less energy you will have more chance of
sorting it all back out before it spits you off again.

I say this as I've also had the problem!

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I'm wondering if it's more problematic with the small sail, this being the first
time I've really used it in any breeze, the last time I had problems was with
the big rig, the weight of which is a better counter balance and although it
was tricky, it wasn't anything like as difficult as yesterday with the 8.4.

I'm also wondering if the 8.4 has a lower clew/boom height, not ever having
had any issues on a beam reach before either, at risk of this thread
developing into another RS100 thread...

But it has to be said, I've never had problems getting back into any of the
other boats I've ditched, and that includes the Musto.
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Originally posted by Peaky

Originally posted by G.R.F.


The slippy centreboard is going to get waxed for a start,
but that won't help the thing coming over on top of me.

is this a joke???!!!


 IMHO a not a joke especially if he wishes to prolong his life. GRF, I understand, has already had some narrow escapes as an early kite surfer! Admittedly a mucky or should I say sticky solution to the problem. A boat in which I am involved was going to have a plate deliberately coated in a non slip finish and this would be introduced if the boat proved prone to inversion. Other measures were taken in the design to minimise the possibility of inversion and we were pleased that the Y&Y boat test shows that the boat after capsize usually floats with the plate not far above the water. Many other design issues were incorporated in the design (1) to reduce capsizability and (2) to facilitate climbing back on board.  Pressure was put on to do away with the hoop and use the stern strop mains-sheeting which is back in fashion in classes like the 5o5. IMO stern strops can be a pain and certainly make climbing over the transom at least difficult and  worst dangerous. If the option was to not wear a BA then I'm sure class rules would make it obligitory while racing.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by asterix


[TT a drink consisting of approximately 50% red wine and 50% cola
based soft drink! - what the hell is that!!!! - serves you right mate - get
yourself either a decent pint or a good Bordeaux]



It was to inject some fiesta spirit into the dingy pub we were in last
night... the Spaniard told me it was a good idea as it's effectively watered
down red wine.... by the 8th or so 'jarra' I was beginning to agree with
him; although clearly the Stellas I insisted on weren't such a great
accompaniment.

I can't offer any assistance on righting 100's, but its a thumbs up for me on that drink.  I encountered it about this time last year in Spain and it makes any cheap cr*p drinkable!

Try it - what could possibly go wrong!?!

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In a way, I wish I'd had the kite to deal with, its 'sea anchor' nature would
have prevented the boat coming over on top of me.

As to waxing the plate, well there have been lots of discussions about boat
surfaces, matt v glossy, I doubt very much that anyone would detect any
speed difference, there's a surface tension argument that can be made to say
it's faster.. And it would preserve the flushing strips..
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Strewth. Was this boat designed with the cheerful assumption nobody would be incompetent enough to ever capsize it? 
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Originally posted by G.R.F.

In a way, I wish I'd had the kite to deal with, its 'sea anchor' nature would
have prevented the boat coming over on top of me.

As to waxing the plate, well there have been lots of discussions about boat
surfaces, matt v glossy, I doubt very much that anyone would detect any
speed difference, there's a surface tension argument that can be made to say
it's faster.. And it would preserve the flushing strips..


So what if there is a speed difference. A one design is a one design. As long as all have the same non-slip plate, does it matter. The 100 could become the first anti-bandit class!
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Originally posted by Stefan Lloyd

Strewth. Was this boat designed with the cheerful assumption nobody would be incompetent enough to ever capsize it? 

its far too difficult for that!

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can't believe the RS100 is that hard to get back into, other boats float quite high too, includnig the Solo which can be quite a pull from the water onto the board. I think the "easiest" boat to get back onto I've found is an IC given the 'freeboard' is pretty much nothing, but then I only sailed one a few times, it wasn't an IAC, and I spent a lot of time swimming so .....

Moth would get my vote for d*** near impossible to get back into, my delicate ~85kg just isn't compatible me thinks,,, but I see guys at the front of that fleet quite close to this bullk so can only assume they either never capsize or just get on the board and flick themselves in round the front of the wings as it comes up (working on the theory that wings help as the leeward one 'drags' through the water as the boats coming up, counter-balancing your weight slightly as you try to "nimbly" step back in....I'd imagine (never sailed one) that 49er & B14 wings act in much the same way
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