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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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You could be onto something here. In my head our advantage over the L2K's is the trapeze. Perhaps in that particular breeze we should have been hiking it with the 2000s. Chances are I was, as you say, over cranking the main in an effort to keep her out on the wire. That might explain why we're not too bad in the light stuff compared to the 2000s. Perhaps I need to alter my mindset so that we're hiking until the boom is some way off the center line and then get her out on the wire. She'll enjoy that ![]() P.S. Odd how the Google Chrome browser keeps the line length short ![]() Edited by ellistine |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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Yes but I was making a big guess on limited info. And just suggesting a little more twist, still keeping a little hook so you can point. It sounded like the top was over hooking and stalling from the original post. But if the wind strength is dropping you have the impression that the crew should be on the wire from earlier sailing out, so it's possible that you are thinking, keep the main pinned in to keep the crew on the wire and stalling everything and ending up dropping off to leeward. Ease the sheet slightly, go a bit faster, get flow on the foils and then squeeze back up a bit. But like you said without see things it's a difficult call. |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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Just the occasional release in some of the gusts to keep the boat flat. Unfortunately no other Vagos to play with but the Laser 2000's were long gone. We we're even struggling to stay ahead of a single handed 2k. In light airs we're not too bad at all. I might see if I can borrow a waterproof camera and mount it on the thwart. |
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Isis ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Sep 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2753 |
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The leach line you refer to on the jib should be as loose as possible while preventing leach flutter. On a well made new sail you shouldnt need to touch it.
A lack of height could be any number of things and its impossible to give a decent answer without seeing the boat on the water. That not being possible here the next best option is to try and get some sail trim shots for us (Camera on the centreline looking up at the sails) You said you are down on height but you havent said anything about speed.. are there any other vagos to compare against? I dissagree with Mr Sparrow about the twist. A lack of height is usualy a sign of too much twist. The upper telltail on the main leach should be streaming about 70-80% of the time depending on the boat and conditions. Trimming for max speed does not give you your best VMG upwind. If the crew is on the wire then I assume you are fairly powered up - were you dumping power at all? (easing the sheet) Edited by Isis |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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I've always been a bit unsure about jib sheet tension. I
remember we did a Vago training weekend with Mark Askwith and he has us sheeting the jib in tighter than we ever had before. The bottom of the jib goes completely flat. If we let the jib sheet out an inch and steer to the telltales we go a lot faster (sometimes to the point where the hull starts to hum) but also a lot lower. Perhaps I should be looking at the slot shape. There is a leach tensioner on the back of the jib but we've never touched it. |
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hollandsd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 853 |
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oversheeting the jib can cause the boat not to point, you need to have a decent slot shape between the main and jib.
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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It was enough for the crew to be out on the wire but with the boom still in on the center line. The wind was dropping throughout the race. The reach to the race course was a right blast! |
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Jack Sparrow ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
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Easing off the sheet tension a little sounds a reasonable idea then, I take it it wasn't blowing hard when you weren't pointing?
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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We sailed last night without the burgee for the first time. It's like a little friend was missing ![]() |
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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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I'm pretty sure they we're streaming. I've been controlling the leach tension with main rather than kicker when the boom's been on the center line. Perhaps I've been cranking it in too tight? |
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