twin handed dinghy

   If you're coming into the ramp sailing downwind, you can always drop the 

main and come in on the jib.  Launching and landing the 29er is going to be 

trickier than 500 and buzz but between the two of you you'll get the hang of 

it very very quickly!  

The settings on the 29er are very very simple, you'd be fine through the 

wind range just using a middle setting.  You should be easily able to get a 

setup guide from the internet.  

The 29er circuit is vast majority youth sailors, so if you got to any events 

you'll be sure to meet some people around your age and make a lot of great 

friends.  

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Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Topic: twin handed dinghy Posted: 06 Jun 09 at 4:55pm
	If you're coming into the ramp sailing downwind, you can always drop the main and come in on the jib. Launching and landing the 29er is going to be trickier than 500 and buzz but between the two of you you'll get the hang of it very very quickly! The settings on the 29er are very very simple, you'd be fine through the wind range just using a middle setting. You should be easily able to get a setup guide from the internet. The 29er circuit is vast majority youth sailors, so if you got to any events you'll be sure to meet some people around your age and make a lot of great friends.

mattmd Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 23 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 151	Post Options Post Reply Quote mattmd Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jun 09 at 4:32pm
	One question about the 29er the sail is it depowerable for coming into a ramp slowly etc or does it need to come in fast and head it to wind ? and is changing the settings diffrent to other boats? matt
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mattmd Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 23 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 151	Post Options Post Reply Quote mattmd Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jun 09 at 3:53pm
	Right, the last post was very helpful, you covered lots of our queries. Rs500 the price and never knew it had some niggles. Buzz did look a little heavy etc and the 29er look great, has a good racing sceane and is surprisingly cheap thanks for the info
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tmoore Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 01 Nov 07 Location: Wales Online Status: Offline Posts: 880	Post Options Post Reply Quote tmoore Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jun 09 at 3:36pm
	i have sailed all 3. i would say the easiest to sail is the 500. Its relatively stable with a simple layout. However i would leave it as i believe there are a few niggles which RS may have to sort out on the older boats. Add that to the fact you wont get one at much under £5000 and its not worth it for a few years yet. Next the buzz. An old design. Heavy mast, very heavy hull. Going upwind you have tonnes of power, make loads of spray but still dont get anywhere fast. Downwind is a similar story, loads of spray, nose high in the air but not much speed. A really dated design which is not that easy to use. However they are nice and cheap and wont break on you readily. Then you have the 29er. Its a racer. simple layout, responsive rig, light hull etc. I would say the 29er is the most rewarding boat to sail if your of a good enough standard to get to grips with it. You can even pick them up for around £2000. The definate best for 'bang for buck'.
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mattmd Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 23 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 151	Post Options Post Reply Quote mattmd Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jun 09 at 3:21pm
	Yes the 29er does look great, but we are still considering strongly the rs 500 and the buzz. Right yes we had an idea we might struggle with a 4000, but we r open to most idea's matt
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Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jun 09 at 7:39am
	Out of the boats you've just listed and considering the weight you're at and your age, if it were me I'd pick the 29er hands down. The buzz, 500 and 3000 in my opinion don't compare to the 29er. The 4000 at your size you're possibly going to struggle with. Though myself and the person who helmed for me in 4000's were around a similar weight to you guys and I loved sailing the boat. Doug H

mattmd Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 23 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 151	Post Options Post Reply Quote mattmd Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jun 09 at 12:26am
	ok they always have seemed a technical boat but not sure if its the boat for us. the 29er, buzz, rs 500 r the main ones we r interested in, but we r just so muddled between them also the laser 3000/4000 look good matt
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sailor_420 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 19 Apr 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 155	Post Options Post Reply Quote sailor_420 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 06 Jun 09 at 12:05am
	The 420 isnt really that heavy, Although with 130kgs in the light stuff (sub 10knts) you will suffer, saying that quite a lot of the teams i know sail with around 125kgs and they get on just fine! we sail with 125kgs and it does take a fair bit to get it going.However, once it starts to get breezy its a great boat! The upside of one compared to the 29er is that you can happily take one out in over 20knts without any problems, especially with your crew weight. One thing i would suggest if you were to go for one would be to go to some class training. They teach you loads about rig set up which makes a massive difference in these boats!

mattmd Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 23 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 151	Post Options Post Reply Quote mattmd Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jun 09 at 11:18pm
	yes 420 is an idea, they look at little heavy or is it just me. I suppose so, we would most probabley split the cost between us. yes the big or on the rise classes are also appealing. matt
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laser193713 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889	Post Options Post Reply Quote laser193713 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jun 09 at 11:10pm
	420 is a good shout! They're not slow and are a good place to learn the art of trapezing. For a trapeze boat you really should have the bigger one of you crewing, and remember hiking boats can be just as fun! I have always found 29er helming to be a bit dull... obviously its not easy, but the crew does the majority of the physical stuff upwind. It gives you a good start in skiff helming for sure, but trapeze helming such as in a 49er is a whole lot more challenging. 29ers are particularly good because you learn to trust each other very fast, and if you dont then you get wet! you will quickly learn a fine ballance between the crew playing the mainsheet and steering to the wind, it is very interesting how you eventually manage to effectively read each others minds when responding to a gust etc.... Then there are boats like the 420 which is more balanced between the helm and crew. Definitely not a boat to be excluded because it doesnt look skiffy. They are certinely not slow. 4000 is a good boat, but probably too heavy and they again arent class leading in my mind... 500 sounds like a good boat for you but you are probably looking at about £4000 at the least for a second hand boat, but it would be in good condition because they are so new!! Just don't rule out hiking, probably the best fleet at the moment for you is the RS200, such a strong fleet and loads of them! and you can pick one up cheap! There are too many to choose from!