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    Posted: 05 Nov 08 at 9:36pm

i am yet to see a photo of an Rs500 doing this, for an easyish boat to sail you get a lot of bang for your buck.
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Origianlly I was looking at a cat, but I've been told to steer clear by a friend.  His 'trust me' was enough so its a mono for me.

Thanks for the feedback, all. 

Looks like 3000 & Vago take on the Vario & I promise to get help to get help to get past my RS500 fixation.  

Now I just have to find some place nice & warm to try them all out........!!!  .



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Want a fast asymetric trapeze boat but want to take kids and friends out too.  Yes it's a compromise.  One I've been making myself for many years. 

But if you must ... and some of us must:

The Vago is heavy, wobbly, not especially fast and a little hard to trapeze with ease due to a high freeboard and few places to push off from.  But many like it.

IMHO, the V3000 is better - faster, less wobbly and easier to trapeze - I can single hand mine up to F5 with the smaller jib on, but it's slow that way as you're mostly surviving.  When the weather hits F5+ recruiting a crew makes it all faster and lots more fun.   The original hyde main (supplied with laser 3000s) can be reefed and the jib can be furled.  The North main and jib (supplied with V3000s and all that are now available new) are stuck at one size.

The RS500 is perhaps too powerful, it really is a two man boat.

An RS Vario might be the answer - but there isn't much for the crew to do.

You could consider a cat, maybe?  The Dart 15 and 18 though old and ugly take one or two with ease.  Best ask on the cat pages as they'll know more than me.

Personally, I just prefer sailing monohulls.  Cats feel like cheating .


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As another singlehander/ family boat could be the Laser Vago.

Still I recon as you aren't near water, go on a holiday to test sail everything!!
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Radixon - you have picked up on my dilema.  It's hard to pick something when I am effectively searching in the dark.   No water (of note) in Lux.  A long narrow lake in a deep valley is the only option, approx 200mx800m.  I am sure I should be able to find moew open water a couple of hours into France.  I am not expecting to find something for here, but am researching for my retun to the west of ireland. 

If head ruled heart, the Vision should be the clear leader, but the 3000 & Vario (which I hadn't seen before) look to be a bit more fun, but.....mossman has thrown a spanner in the works...tempting me to stick to a singlehander...my kids will be disapointed with you !  Still can't stop you-tubing the rs400 & 500 though.
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Think long and hard about whether you want an allrounder. They are always a compromise and will considerably restrict your choice of class.

If most of your sailing is going to be single-handed it might even be worthwhile getting an exciting single-hander for yourself and then a beat up old double-handed boat that is quite stable as a second boat to take the kids out in.

However, if you are set on the idea of an allrounder I think the RS Vareo would be a good choice. I bought one earlier this year and I really love it (although I have not tried taking anyone else out in it yet).
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With a 100 kg sailor, a 3000 will be fine to singlehand in most conditions, but not recommendable if the 100kg sailor wants to sail regularly with a crew in future. The 3k is a great boat but we can't pretend it's a great weight carrier, even if Dan and Andrew do seem to magic their way round the course with 26 stone (165 kg) on board!
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Originally posted by hollandsd

I may be biased but the V3000 would be a good buy, but i would recomend an old laser 3000 there are a few very cheap at the moment and providing you make some of the modifications will be perfectly suitable for singlehanding but only upto a force 4 ish.

Hope this helps

Dan

I've seen people say L/V3000 are only single handable upto F4 a few times.  does this mean even with a reefed main on on L3000 ? Not sure if you can reef the main on a V
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Vario might be the perfect option, virtually the same underwater hull shape as an RS500 but single handed.  Plenty of room for the kids and you can play with the spinnaker to keep things interesting.

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Looking at where you are, I take it you will be sailing inland. As to the size of the place you will be sailing, only you will be able to inform us how large the lake is.

As for boats, what is available in Luxembourg? Are you considering importing the ideal boat or is there a second hand market available?

Based on the fact you aren't near any clubs the other option you have is to go on holiday and try these out. Something like an RS Vareo or a Finn maybe more what you are after, one has a kite, the other is an Olympic class.

Very difficult to recommend especially as there may not be any around you to test sail.
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