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FreshScum ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 27 Apr 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 99 |
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Increasing mast rake opens the slot on most boats as the head of the jib moves aft relative to the rest of the sail. This opens the leech of the jib so the slot has now been opened. No kicker in dinghys can work. Has to be really windy, and then allows power on/power off to only be a small amount of mainsheet. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Here's a funny thing. There is a keelboat class where 50% of helms are convinced that the way to handle the main upwind is to centre the traveller and ease main and kicker. The other 50% pull on maximum sheet and kicker and play the traveller. Results suggests both techniques are equally fast if done well. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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It's not obvious why increasing rake would open the slot, or why that would result in depowering. If your boat allows it, try sailing with a very closed slot. More power? I suspect not. And allowing the centreboard to be lifted, fine except that I can think of classes that, as the breeze builds, will start to rake the rig long before they'd consider raising the board. I'm not disputing that rake works but the explanations you commonly read don't really bear examination. Edited by Stefan Lloyd |
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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My experience is that mast rake makes a boat go better upwind and its not just the opening of the leech of the jib that does it. Too much mast rake really throws away power and for this reason we always rake the mast back on the 4000 by one click on the shrouds when conditions are at all difficult, this corresponds to bringing the mast tip about 80mm closer to the transom. Why such a small change makes such a huge difference is a mystery. As for letting the kicker off when its windy - it doesn't work. More wind, more kicker. The kicker makes the rig a lot less inclined to snatch in the gusts and the power more easy to modulate. If the boat is difficult to handle try more kicker. If you look at the more modern roachy type of rigs you'll find you can sail with the top of the sail absolutely flat when you apply lots of kicker. That's exactly what you want in strong winds, not a full ragging mainsail causing masses of aerodynamic drag. Here's something else to think about. I have found that if I power up the rig (tighter lowers, less rake and use the mainsheet for leech tension) I can get the crew out on the wire at quite low windspeeds and the boat goes faster for it, but it has very poor gust response. By which I mean it doesn't accelerate and it is often faster overal to sacrifice a bit of power and get the acceleration. I can only liken it to driving a car slowly in 5th gear. |
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Garry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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If you get the channce go to one of Adam Bower's talks on rig tuning, he puts all this in a simple and effective way. |
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Garry ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 536 |
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Increasing rake opens the slot (depowering) and move the Centre of effort aft. You can then lift the centreboard slightly moving the centre of lateral resistance aft. |
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Garry
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WildWood ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Nov 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 136 |
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I've always found the genal rule 'if it looks nice then it's fast' works with sail trimming. For example an over sheeted sail with too much kicker looks terrible and isn't quick. Generally speaking it's best to keep looking at your sails and trying to get them sitting the best you can, unless you have gone to the lengths of working out exactly what settings you need for what wind strength.Mast rake and mast bend are obviously quite different things, mast bend affecting how full the main sail is, while mast rake alters the centre of effort of the rig and has a fundamental affect on the balance and handling of the boat, again generally speaking I think more rake will improve upwind performance, and less rake improves down wind speed. |
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Stefan Lloyd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1599 |
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Not really, because some boats can adjust mast bend and rake independently but still increase rake upwind as the breeze builds. I've never read a convincing account of why increased rake depowers the rig but it clearly does. |
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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As I understand it, the raking back in stronger winds helps to induce bend in the mast because the shroud / spreader / chainplate etc angles change. This might help to explain why - about a zillion years ago - sailing a GP with my Dad (we weighted about 19st all up) we could not depower the thing - no spreaders!.
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