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    Posted: 06 Nov 06 at 9:51am
Depends, the 4000 is a dog in light air but the sailors in the class are top notch! In big breeze the 4k is fantastic. At the nats this year we got 18.2 knots on a 2 sailer! And i guess just test other boats to see which ones you like! Have to say the 29er does look better. Another thing to remember is that laser spares are ludicrously expsensive!
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We tried and dropped the 4k when it first came out for several reasons.

First off, it felt very top-heavy when sailing, not to say heavy when hauling out.

Then the kite refused to go back in the chute no matter how hard my crew pulled on the downhaul, while all the time we were rolling downwind in our top-heavy boat. OK, technique might overcome this, but there are chutes that work better.

Next the boat turtled so instantly in a totally mild capsize we were simply astonished. Again, the top heaviness doesn't help here, I guess.

Sheet loads are high on the main with the compulsory centre-bridle system. I know a few sailors who use 5:1 on the sheet, but then response is slowed.

Finally, if the crew is light and the racks are fully extended, it's an awful long way to fall when the inevitable capsize happens. Some who feel indestructible don't mind this; my crew felt very destructible!

What I've never understood is how it needs so much righting moment when the designer himself told me that the white sail area is smaller than an RS400 (even if the kite is bigger)

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There are of course a whole range of boats far more stable than the 4000 but due to its sheer weight, it will be more forgiving and less twitchy than most other high performance boats.  Have no doubt, it will be a challenge but one that you couldnt possibly not enjoy!
Another advantage is that the second hand market is pretty strong so if you do get one and dont like it, you wont lose any money if you come to sell it, so you cant really lose out by getting one. 
Speed wise vs a 29er, i think over a range of different courses and windspeeds, they will average at very similar performance.  some winds the 29er will have the speed advantage and at other wind strengths the 4000 will have the advantage. 

Go to www.laser4000.org.uk and register to the chat forums.  If you ask on there to test sail one, somone near your will be more than willing to take you for a ride. 

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I thought it'd be easier starting a new thread for this one.

Anyway how does the 4000 compare to similar boats of its type, like stability, speed, depowering etc.

I like the 4000 because of the racks and light sailers can sail it. One thing at the moment i dont like is that it looks like it can capsize easily, can it or is it stable? Is it much faster than the 29er?

Thanks again!

 

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