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To everyone telling prince "how to hike better" in his laser, find us one person in the world who's come in from a long windy race in a laser and said "you know what guys, my knees are feeling much better after that! It's as if ive had a joint workout from heaven" |
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allanorton ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Nov 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 228 |
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Whats wrong with that! Nothing macho in making things more difficult for yourself! In flat water, in force 5+, I'd be glad of cleats to save my energy. |
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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I can honestly say that since working on biomechanics of hiking at Lougborough Uni and subsquently improving my style my joint health has improved considerably and the more hiking practice you do, the stronger the muscles around the knee joint get and therefore the more supported the joint gets. People who have poor hiking fitness are those who struggle with knee problems, not those who regular train with good form! If you trapeze badly there are still issues, with hips, lower back and shoulders associated with poor positure. The answer is simple, in order to avoid injury whilst sailing you need to be fit enough to sail and often the simpliest way to develope sailing fitness is to do lots of sailing!!! |
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kitsch ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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Yeah I've heard that advice before robin but being a pretty hardcore cyclist i don't think that's really the issue here..... |
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kitsch ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 24 Aug 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
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Jon I'm pretty sure it's not a fitness issue. Because i'm on the lil side for a radial i have to hike like crazy putting in about double the effort to the other laser sailors at my club just to keep up in windy weather. I don't really understand what it is you're trying to say, first you say the problem is my hiking style, then you say that straight legged hiking like in liddel's picture doesn't necessarily help, then you say that the issue is fitness......What exactly is your hiking style? Are there any magic tips you can share?? Oh yeah and Doug.H you pretty much hit the nail on the head with the more speed less effort bit. I think i'd be too light for an IC and the whole sliding seat deal seems a bit hard/complicated to me!! I definitely like the idea of a 29erXX but they don't come cheap!! And I'd love a moth but again i think i'd need a bit more weight and a bit more money to get a good one that i could compete in. If anyone could find a less than £2000 hungry tiger i'd like to know about it!!! I also think that the area i sail in with loads of cruisers on moorings for about 200m off the club would be the best place to learn how to sail a moth..... |
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Jon Emmett ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 988 |
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Sorry to be unclear. There will be an article coming out in Y&Y which will (hopefully) answer your questions. Straight leg hiking (knees only very slightly bent) is "good" but requires a reasonable level of fitness due to the demands it places on the legs. Regards the pictures of Keama, pointed toe sailing is very "bad" for your ankles and sailing "front arm raised" also leads to poor shoulder position. To help you with your hiking I would really need to see you. If you want to get in touch my email address is jonemmettsailing@aol.com However there are no magic secrets...
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sten ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 208 |
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Tips on Hiking a Laser, Hiking pants help but hind the mechanics envolved and the feel of the boat, it is critical to have you toe staps the right length,your legs should be flat on the deck in a Laser. to short and inside of the cockpit digs in your calf, too loose and the gunnel digs in. if your knees are bent it can also load your ankles or knees as your hiking battens slide you outwards. when beating dont fight the boat, you still have to hike but not flat out all the time move with the waves in all directions, a typical sequence as the bow lifts lean back, out and twist the shoulder back as the the boat reaches the top of the wave and max power luffing up to keep it flat, forward, in and twist the shoulder frowards as the bow drops steering the way the rudder would have moved if it wasnt jammed by the traveller to keep flat. the only time you tense you muscles is in the turns ie as you reach maximium hiking position to come back in. As you turn to move back put the power through your hips into the dack for aft. If you slam a wave you steered wrong or moved out of time with the boat not fast and not good for your knees. Straight legs also allow you to roll much further fore and aft over each wave where bent legs only allow a torso flex. Hike in the right place in the boat. To far forward and the bow digs in to the waves , to far back and the transom drags and the bow lifts and slams. just right the hull has constant trim over the waves. If its very choppy be very agressive with the helm punching it througth the waves so the boat stays flat but doesnt steer all over the place its still possible never to hit a wave but takes lots of time on the water to have perfect timing. Take care when changing classes as it takes a long time to adjust to a new hiking position, it took me around 6 months to feel comfortable hiking the Finn after the Laser. |
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How do we square this advice with that from Rooster? http://www.roostersailing.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen= hikestyle&Store_Code=1
Do we point our toes or not? |
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neilw ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 26 Jul 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 88 |
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I think you'll find there is hiking in a IC.... more to the point...the main "injury" in ICs is the Ringburn caused by constant sliding up and down the seat......any Sport Scientists willing to do a study in this then?
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m_liddell ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 583 |
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YES! So many peoples lasers I have sailed when I hike off the toes straight legged the inside of the cockpit digs in to my calf. Even half and inch can make a difference. They are 'toe' straps not 'foot' straps, hike off the toes :) Ben Tan's book on Laser sailing has an excellent section on hiking along with a few great labelled pics. I could post the pic but not sure if I could get done for copyright... Oh and cleats are not girly. Real men put them on so the sheet gets stuck in them just as a gust hits |
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