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    Posted: 16 Aug 06 at 7:19pm
Originally posted by Philsy

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Take your point, Rick, but my conscience
took a bit of a beating when I realised I'd been responsible for 0.35 kg of
high quality paper junk just to get a free DVD which had plenty of
plugs for the 'car' on it anyway.


Not as bad as my conscience would be if I actually owned or drove such
a Chelsea Tractor. Did you read the CO2 emission figures?! But I guess
that people who feel they're entitled to drive such a vehicle also feel it's
their right to pollute just as much as they want, anyway.



Only an issue if you use the car irresponsibly. Work from home and let
your kids walk to school, and keep the car for essential journeys. The big
polluters are the company car drivers in their Vectras. With today's
communication systems, there is less need to travel from A to B.

Phil


Well as a large majority of the pollution caused by a vehicle is in the production of it, there is a very strong argument for limiting the supply of new cars, and encourage the use of second hand cars, rather than scrapping perfectly usable cars. But then were would that leave the consumer driven society that demands to have the newest objects to show off, just look at mobile phones, and the fact that many people get a new handset every year even if they don't really need to.

(on a personal note it's also my excuse for driving round in a classic car)
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Originally posted by Charlie


Originally posted by Philsy

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Take your point, Rick, but
my conscience
took a bit of a beating when I realised I'd been responsible for 0.35 kg of
high quality paper junk just to get a free DVD which had plenty of
plugs for the 'car' on it anyway.


Not as bad as my conscience would be if I actually owned or drove such
a Chelsea Tractor. Did you read the CO2 emission figures?! But I guess
that people who feel they're entitled to drive such a vehicle also feel it's
their right to pollute just as much as they want, anyway.



Only an issue if you use the car irresponsibly. Work from home and let
your kids walk to school, and keep the car for essential journeys. The big
polluters are the company car drivers in their Vectras. With today's
communication systems, there is less need to travel from A to B.

Phil


Well as a large majority of the pollution caused by a vehicle is in the
production of it, there is a very strong argument for limiting the
supply of new cars, and encourage the use of second hand cars, rather
than scrapping perfectly usable cars. But then were would that leave
the consumer driven society that demands to have the newest objects to
show off, just look at mobile phones, and the fact that many people get
a new handset every year even if they don't really need to.

(on a personal note it's also my excuse for driving round in a classic car)


I agree, the obsession with brand-new cars is not good. It's interesting
that around 80% of Porsches ever built are still on the road. I suspect VW
has a relatively high percentage, too.

Dunno what this has to do with sailing...
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Originally posted by Philsy

Only an issue if you use the car irresponsibly. Work from home and let
your kids walk to school, and keep the car for essential journeys. The big
polluters are the company car drivers in their Vectras. With today's
communication systems, there is less need to travel from A to B.

Phil

I take issue with that - as a company car driver doing 30+k a year, selling to someone face to face is VERY different to doing it over the phone or teleconferencing. That will never change - nothing is more effective than sitting in front of a buyer.

The pollution contributed by driving a car is piffling compared with the amount of unburned hydrocarbons and CO2 dumped into the atmosphere every time an aeroplane takes off.

The attention focussed on Car drivers is a total waste of time. IF CO2 is to blame for global warming (and there is no conclusive evidence of this - remember that the planet has been cooling down and warming up for millennia) then the focus of our attentions need to be focussed on power generation; every item in your house produces CO2 indirectly. However people with big cars are easily victimised.

Incedentally, I think the Touareg is a tad excessive but whatever floats your boat - it's small and economical compared to the vast pickups on the road in the US.
Not all chemicals are bad. Without chemicals such as hydrogen and
oxygen, for example, there would be no way to make water, a vital
ingredient in beer.
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Well said fizzicist, Philsy that is one hell of a generalisation.  As it happens I happen to work for one of the aformentioned communications companies and I sell kit that reduces the need for people to travel and negates the need to go to the office at all, in fact with the WLAN we have in our sailing club you can ring me on my office number and speak to me if I'm sat outside on the patio on my laptop sipping a beer.  If I don't get in front of people to talk about this stuff I would never have a chance!

I'm a regular reader/contributor of www.pistonheads.com and some of the loony anti 4x4 stories you read are truly worrying!  Let's face it a ToeRag is a big old car but probably very environmentally friendly in a cradle to grave scenario and probably putting out infinitely less C02 than the hippy bus whose exhaust fumes I was choking on last week on the A426.  The "nuclear power-no thanks" and "greenpeace" stickers in the back window were just laughable!
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I think 4x4's get a lot of bad press - many "executive saloons" are far worse ... and as said above none of this makes much impact compared with air travel and power generation.

I was also once told that all the 2 stroke outboards in the USA collectivly did more damage than all of the cars in the UK ??

Anyway - TURN THAT TV OFF STAND BY ...



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Originally posted by Iain C

Well said fizzicist, Philsy that is one hell of a
generalisation.  As it happens I happen to work for one of the
aformentioned communications companies and I sell kit that reduces the
need for people to travel and negates the need to go to the office at all, in
fact with the WLAN we have in our sailing club you can ring me on my
office number and speak to me if I'm sat outside on the patio on my
laptop sipping a beer.  If I don't get in front of people to talk about this
stuff I would never have a chance!I'm a regular reader/contributor of
www.pistonheads.com and some of the loony anti 4x4 stories you read
are truly worrying!  Let's face it a ToeRag is a big old car but probably
very environmentally friendly in a cradle to grave scenario and probably
putting out infinitely less C02 than the hippy bus whose exhaust fumes I
was choking on last week on the A426.  The "nuclear power-no thanks"
and "greenpeace" stickers in the back window were just laughable!


I agree - I did make a generalisation, which is why you shouldn't be
offended. I still maintain that a useful proportion of traffic on the roads
today could be eliminated by people being more creative in their work
practices. For instance, why travel to an office if all you do there is sit in
front of a computer? Or why drive to an office and then immediately get
back in the car to go visiting clients, when you could have gone straight
from home.

If a percentage of people spent at least part of their time working from
home, traffic congestion (and the related pollution) would be reduced.

I'm not anti car - far from it, I make my living from them - but there is no
getting away from the fact we are using our cars too much and, as well
the environmental impact, the traffic on our roads is making driving less
enjoyable.

Phil
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Enough about car pollution!!!! I'm sure VW didn't supply a sailing DVD and sponsor the event for the sailing communty in order to disscuss pollution. What did people think of the sailing DVD?

 
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TT you could employ better quality staff who could be trusted to manage their own workloads, ensuring that they met their deadlines/targets with a minimum of screwdirvering from above.  Of course you'd have to pay more to get the top people but they will earn more for the company as they are the better workers...simple really.

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Originally posted by dics

Enough about car pollution!!!! I'm sure VW didn't supply a sailing DVD and sponsor the event for the sailing communty in order to disscuss pollution. What did people think of the sailing DVD?

Well quite!  But clearly, having a sponsored event/DVD etc has increased our 'awareness' of the 'product', and distracted us into spending valuable time and energy discussing something totally unrelated to sailing.

Frankly I think that we are all far too tight. I like to think I'd rather pay my own hard earnt, taxed income for an unsponsored DVD than have to put up with all the mind poison.

Having said that, a friend brought his copy of the DVD round and I did enjoy watching it, and learnt from it. Clearly not as relevant as Higher&Faster but lots of excellent racing tips. 
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Originally posted by Lucy Lee

Originally posted by dics

Enough about car pollution!!!! I'm sure VW didn't supply a sailing DVD and sponsor the event for the sailing communty in order to disscuss pollution. What did people think of the sailing DVD?

Well quite!  But clearly, having a sponsored event/DVD etc has increased our 'awareness' of the 'product', and distracted us into spending valuable time and energy discussing something totally unrelated to sailing.

Frankly I think that we are all far too tight. I like to think I'd rather pay my own hard earnt, taxed income for an unsponsored DVD than have to put up with all the mind poison.

Even the pay for DVD's are sponsored. All the Lasers in the latest H&F DVD carry logos on the sails etc etc ...

Advertising & sponsorship are all part of life now and I'd get used to it if I were you ... I think events that are sponsored are generally better due to improved investment. Many events just would not happen without sponsors.

Well run sponsorship campaigns enhance our sport - being exposed to some advertising is a small price to pay.

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