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    Posted: 12 Jun 06 at 4:07pm

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Post Options Post Options   Quote gonzo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 06 at 4:16pm

we did it on a gybe a few weeks back. about 18 to 20 knots

ready to gybe chris

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me face down on the mast chris landing on my back

all in the space of 2 seconds from our last words what happened

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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jun 06 at 9:35pm

im going to be technical here because im just about sure i understand this:

the speed of the wind measured by an anemometre with paddles or windmill type things will always be constant, no matter the pressure. all that matters is the difference between the friction on the front of the blade to the friction on the back. if there are more particles hitting the front and speeding it up, there must be more particles hitting the back and slowing it down. therefore the speed measured will be constant.

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Originally posted by gonzo

One  example i have heard is that an aeroplane that takes off in dubai mid summer must have a higher take off speed to get the lift than it must in the uk where the air is denser.

So for colder denser wind do we get more power per knot of wind than in a hot country with lower density.

 



It's called "density altitude".  Your aircraft performes as if it was already at altitude rather than being sat on the ground.  In fact you get a double whammy as not only do your wings produce as much lift for any given airspeed, your engine also produces less power and the propeller is less effective.


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Originally posted by Iain C



It's called "density altitude".  Your aircraft performes as if it was already at altitude rather than being sat on the ground.  In fact you get a double whammy as not only do your wings produce as much lift for any given airspeed, your engine also produces less power and the propeller is less effective.




Given that humans have the same problem with less air at higher altitude meaning everything is harder work, this means that all things considered, when you sail at Silvaplana, the 25 knots is just as tiring as 25 knots of wind in Britain, just the boat goes slower!! ..... although as the water is colder you might get more lift off the centreboard to counteract for this(or doesn't it work that way round?)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Skiffman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 06 at 9:28am

After having sailed in silvaplana for 2 weeks we definatly noticed that the wind speed did not relate to what we were use to back in Britain. To give you an idea the anemometer was reading 25knots average but when we were sailing it felt about 18-20 knots whilst sailing. Thats why the british are good in heavy winds compared to the rest of the world and generally not as fast in the lighter stuff... lol

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Medway Maniac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 06 at 10:02am
But that does confirm that a decent anemometer reads the windspeed OK everywhere, even if the effect isn't the one we're accustomed to.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gonzo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 06 at 5:08pm
so if you can sail in strong winds in britian you can sail anywhere unless your in the antarctic where its really coldand dense but the you would be stupidly cold
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Post Options Post Options   Quote mike ellis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jun 06 at 8:09pm
but in the antartic its so cold the moisture freezes out of the air wich might make it less dense.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gonzo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 06 at 3:43am
but the air is still cold so will sink down and therefore be denser dosent matter about moisture level moisture only con tributes to level of humidity
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