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eric_c ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 21 Jan 18 Online Status: Offline Posts: 382 |
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PN's go up because the RYA calculates that they've gone up. Laser, IlCA, Ovington or people racing on the water get on with sailing, they don't have any role in calculating PY changes. The 'carbon' composite spars are not much of a game changer, they just break a lot less often, particularly when Lasers are sailed hard at top level. The average UK PY puddle sailor probably didn't break many ali spars. People doing class events on the sea or big lakes were breaking too many, engineering out some of the recurrent breakages was well overdue. Ironically, half-bright whining about the Laser's PY is a reminder why people like class racing where it's not an issue. Just remember that the Laser PYs are based on a lot more data than most others.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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And always have been. In my time our local series was won by a Laser sailing off 1078, back in what 2004?Honestly I've lost interest in the whole charade now, which I know I'm meant to, because the whole thing is geared to make class racing seem the Holy Grail which it really isnt. But whatever, every now and then, like this weekend just gone, something good happens, our youngest entrant has been away training in his Topper, and took both races on spreadsheet and nobody could be happier for him than me. Lasers also have their place, they provide a good steady input of cheapskate tightwads which are of course perfect dinghy sailors and might one day become GP14 sailors. ![]() Edited by iGRF - 19 Apr 22 at 11:19am |
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davidyacht ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1345 |
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Will be interesting to see if the PY of a Laser diverges from that of an ILCA
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Happily living in the past
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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laser sailing and in a handicap race ... ![]() |
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423zero ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 08 Jan 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3420 |
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Does anyone know how iGRF keeps dropping random posts in, several occasions now I've noticed a post appear back in time? I can only guess that he puts a post in, clicks post options and then leaves it open, but, only guessing.
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fab100 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1005 |
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Witty comment The weight, bending characteristics and CoG are supposed to be the same as the tin one. As has been said above, the change is about robustness and longevity. Hence performance of the boat should be unchanged. The PY returns of the sailors sailing Lasers/ILCAs in handicap races suggest those people were performing relatively less well. But given the last PY update was 2021 based on results from the preceding year, I doubt a statistically significant number of those boats had a composite top section costing £550. I’d wager more were sailing with damage-induced pre-bent (aka slow) tin top sections than composite ones. |
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GybeFunny ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 Oct 09 Online Status: Offline Posts: 403 |
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I believe his posts are first vetted by someone in charge of this forum before appearing for all of us to view. I get the emails that notify me of replies and you can see in his posts it says 'Verified by: xxx'.
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Grumpycat ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 29 Sep 20 Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
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It’s only the top section and it is designed to replicate the same mast bend so the only real difference is the the fact it weighs a bit lighter ( and before a ILCA sailor comes on and says it weighs the same as the old ali section . This was confirmed to me in writing by the Australian manufacturer ![]() To put this into prospective. The Supernova changed to a epoxy build a few year ago and the minimum weight dropped from about 62kg to 50kg. Did it’s handicap get harder ? No, it got slightly easier because all that happened was it attracted a lot of slow sailors to the class . Also I don’t remember any of the normal suspects on here calling the Supernova a bandit when this happened at the time .
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Depends what you regard as better. Breaks less is definitely an improvement, but will have no effect on handicaps since DNFs are excluded from the calculations. I think the Laser spars are unique or nearly so in being especially designed to negate the performance advantages normally associated with carbon spars. As to separate handicaps for Laser branded boats and ILCA branded boats, that would depend on clubs reporting the results separately, which I rather doubt will happen. |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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if helps keep insurance premiums down, then it's progress... personally I always felt awkward claiming for a top section, it definitely hovers in the 'known running cost' area of general maintenance, of which Laser sailors are spared a fair amount compared to a lot of classes.
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