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    Posted: 20 May 21 at 9:25pm
That's my point, the whole set of rules, but, even in these few posts on two pages, have four specific references to sections of the rules which apply to touching the mark.
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My club offer a hazard tape streamer to tie to the end of the boom to newbie racers. They ain't gonna trouble the top half of the fleet (except maybe when they are being lapped  Embarrassed). If it's not too windy then they should know and abide by the 'simplified rules' (i.e. Port/Starboard, Windward/Leeward and 'Don't Hit Marks') and know the penalties and be able to perform them but, on a windy day, let the sails flap for 10 secs would be an adequate substitute and far less likely to result in a capsize.
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Lot of logic for having penalty 'stop sailing, sheet out' timed exoneration, 5 secs, 10 secs etc, not that it would do much to hinder the tidal mark rounding scenario, the only justice for that remains re-round in my view, but hey, what do I know?

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Rerounding was problematic with large crowded fleets and big boats.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Lot of logic for having penalty 'stop sailing, sheet out' timed exoneration, 5 secs, 10 secs etc, not that it would do much to hinder the tidal mark rounding scenario, the only justice for that remains re-round in my view, but hey, what do I know?

I'm not suggesting it as an alternative to 360/720 turns just as a way of allowing noob club racers a way of taking a penalty that wouldn't result in a certain capsize, and just while they are in the early stages of learning to race.

Where you are club racing in a big tide maybe a re-rounding penalty would be fair, not sure if the rules allow it but you could do it at club level if all could agree.

FWIW a re-rounding effectively involves one gybe and one tack and ends with the boat sailing in the same direction so doesn't it fulfil the requirements of Rule 44 as long as the boat doing the turn keeps clear of other boats?
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Lot of logic for having penalty 'stop sailing, sheet out' timed exoneration, 5 secs, 10 secs etc

The difficulty there, in most situations is who checks the 5 or 10 sec, and how loose the sheets are? It might work with judges around, but in normal use the the margins would get tested. Whereas a turn is a turn.

I remember a club race a few years back that coincided with rememberance day. The agreement was that we would all let our sheets go for the 1 min silence. As you may imagine different boats had some very different ideas of what 1 minute was!
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Just resurrecting this thread as I have a supplementary question. If you are forced Ito hitting a mark, inform of your intention to protest and don't do a 360 can you subsequently withdraw the protest?

Or can you be exonerated in the water (as was suggested to me after the event, I believe this to be wrong)?
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You don't have a protest to withdraw until you deliver an allegation in writing to the race office (Definition: Protest).

Once you do deliver your written protest it requires the protest committee to allow it to be withdrawn (rule 63.1).

But you don't need to do anything about protesting if you don't want to.

When the conditions of rule 43.1 apply you are exonerated by the rule. You do not need a protest committee to exonerate you.   This was the whole point of changing "shall be exonerated" to "is exonerated" in the 2021 rewrite.

And rule 43.2 provides

A boat exonerated for breaking a rule need not take a penalty and shall not be penalized for breaking that rule.


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Thanks Brass, I'd say that is a sensible revision and nice to know the guy who told me was right and I was wrong to doubt.
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Posts: 3401 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 21 at 2:51pm
Does that mean that I don't have to hail "Protest" or would not doing so leave me open to being protested for not doing turns?
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