Social Media and Rule 69

Originally posted by sargesail Originally posted by A2Z Originally posted by sargesail    ‘suck my balls’ is part of the normal vernacular of 14 year old boys in many cultures. It uses no foul language. Given its everyday normality I find it hard to see it as abusive. It’s merely a colourful way of saying ‘I’m not spinning’. Really?! It's hardly language you would use to your teacher, wife, mum, co-worker, neighbour or umpire. It is wholly inappropriate language to use to a minor. I find it incredible that anyone could claim it isn't a breach of good manners (69.1 b1). In fact, worth noting that 69.1 b1 does not require bad manners, it just requires a breach of good manners. Many would argue that not saying please and not holding the door open is a breach of good manners ;) Yes I wouldn’t use it to a minor. But my point is this is minor to minor communication. Good point.  Context is important. I wouldn’t use it at all. My kids might. My daughter probably wouldn’t.....but having read this decision I know she’d enjoy imagining saying it to her brother if she was in a similar position to the NZL sailor when training. Would she enjoy having it said to her? I'm not really sure that enjoyment is a relevant consideration. And that’s the point - I read an earlier thread on language in which an Irish poster noted that the F word is more a verbal fill in than a swear word in Ireland. That's what I was driving at in my previous post So here with ‘suck my balls’. Here's the go.  In MY opinion this crosses a line. On your second point - yes exactly. By your please and thank you, holding the door example as a breach of good manners you illustrate the potential for the rule 69 bar to be set ridiculously low. That's why we have to two step process for rule 69: First the protest committee must decide whether or not to hold a hearing;  and only if they do, do they then give the notice to the person and hold the hearing. This lets the protest committee dispose of trivial matters and allegations that are unlikely to be able to be proven to their comfortable satisfaction.

Originally posted by sargesail I saw some frustration towards an IJ last week because they are both jury and judge and higher court. I think this can be really hard for competitors and they need to be able to ‘vent’. Gonna be more of that on social media in the future....

Originally posted by A2Z Originally posted by sargesail    ‘suck my balls’ is part of the normal vernacular of 14 year old boys in many cultures. It uses no foul language. Given its everyday normality I find it hard to see it as abusive. It’s merely a colourful way of saying ‘I’m not spinning’. Really?! It's hardly language you would use to your teacher, wife, mum, co-worker, neighbour or umpire. It is wholly inappropriate language to use to a minor. I find it incredible that anyone could claim it isn't a breach of good manners (69.1 b1). In fact, worth noting that 69.1 b1 does not require bad manners, it just requires a breach of good manners. Many would argue that not saying please and not holding the door open is a breach of good manners ;)

Yes I wouldn’t use it to a minor. But my point is this is minor to minor communication. I wouldn’t use it at all. My kids might. My daughter probably wouldn’t.....but having read this decision I know she’d enjoy imagining saying it to her brother if she was in a similar position to the NZL sailor when training.

And that’s the point - I read an earlier thread on language in which an Irish poster noted that the F word is more a verbal fill in than a swear word in Ireland. So here with ‘suck my balls’.

On your second point - yes exactly. By your please and thank you, holding the door example as a breach of good manners you illustrate the potential for the rule 69 bar to be set ridiculously low.

Originally posted by sargesail https://sailinganarchy.com/2019/04/06/sham-69-3/ Some commentary (which I had not read until today) on the 49er decision with links. The language used was stronger than I remembered- personally I think the SA commentary about relative levels of punishment and misconduct versus gross measurement cheating nail it.

Sometime after the racing fleet crossed the start line for the leg from Haikou to Sanya down the east coast of Hainan in the recent Round Hainan Regatta we were in a Haikou hotel storeroom collecting our own bags for the drive south when I spotted the pipe-cots from one of the competitor’s boats.

What else was under those pipe–cots?

I am not sure, it wasn’t my gear so wasn’t about to go raking in it, but it was quite a pile and if they were willing to dump off the pipe-cots, what else had they left behind?

Mmm, I thought, surely they should most likely be on board so I took a photograph and forwarded to the official protest email address of the event confident that the matter would be looked into, 

https://sailinganarchy.com/2019/04/06/sham-69-3/

Some commentary (which I had not read until today) on the 49er decision with links.

The language used was stronger than I remembered- personally I think the SA commentary about relative levels of punishment and misconduct versus gross measurement cheating nail it.