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    Posted: 03 Oct 18 at 10:28am
Fatboi - I assume you are trolling. If you really think that people choose not to sail a Laser, Solo or Merlin because they are not competitive then I think you are really out of touch.
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Originally posted by H2

Fatboi - I assume you are trolling. If you really think that people choose not to sail a Laser, Solo or Merlin because they are not competitive then I think you are really out of touch.

I chose to stop sailing a Laser not because I wasn't competitive (because at club level I was and could be somewhere near the front at the local opens on a good day) but because it bloody hurt even with a decent set of hikers on. That and being near 85kg and inland meant the lighter sailors always had an advantage.

I was considering stopping sailing completely until I had a demo in a D-Zero (and the rest they say is history).
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Originally posted by Oli

i believe it'll be done on dynamic handicap mozzy.

less likely to be cancelled at tidal venues surely, tides are predictable, water companies emptying their reservoirs less so 432zero


presumption that  inland events are sailed on  reservoirs rather than  a combination of  rese / natural  lake /  former   open cast / quarrying   sites 
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Fat boo, why is it a problem if people choose to sail non mainstream boats, I sail a Minisail, Mirror and until recently a Tinker Traveller, wasn't aware I was causing problems but I will look into it
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Not trolling at all. You see people switching classes all the time when the one they sail gets popular and they realize they cannot compete. They then normally jump on here and sl*g off said other class for its design flaws, terribly PY, etc. 
I wasn't talking about those classes, as they are very popular and the laser is definitely not a comfortable boat but the racing holds enough people into the class.
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Originally posted by zippyRN

Originally posted by Oli

i believe it'll be done on dynamic handicap mozzy.

less likely to be cancelled at tidal venues surely, tides are predictable, water companies emptying their reservoirs less so 432zero


presumption that  inland events are sailed on  reservoirs rather than  a combination of  rese / natural  lake /  former   open cast / quarrying   sites 

i only qualified reservoirs in my reply, of course other venues will suffer less as you infer.
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Some people are inveterate class hoppers, often around the handicap fleet. Others buy into a boat for good or ill and stick with it. I'm one of the latter, I've raced Raceboards enough to know that I can win at regional level and place ok in a fleet of 250+ at the odd Nationals. Now I've moved back into dinghies I sail boats that make me happy, both are nice/fun to sail and put a smile on my face which is good enough for me. 
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Originally posted by Fatboi

Not trolling at all. You see people switching classes all the time when the one they sail gets popular and they realize they cannot compete. They then normally jump on here and sl*g off said other class for its design flaws, terribly PY, etc. 
I wasn't talking about those classes, as they are very popular and the laser is definitely not a comfortable boat but the racing holds enough people into the class.



Hmm, that is a bit different from your opening statement of "the real problem is the dilution of classes as people sail random other boats when it becomes clear that they cannot be competitive in a well sailed popular class at club or open level and they get bored of being beaten, so hide behind PY racing with excuses as long as their arms is safe for their egos".
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Class hopping might be for ego reasons for some, but it certainly wasn't on my part...  

Fervent belief that the the next best thing would slightly better or slightly more suited than the one before maybe....  bottom line for me is that handicap racing was the real problem, it's just not the same sport I grew up with as a kid in Oppies, Toppers, Lasers etc.   And I didn't have the time or commitment necessary to travel to sail something sexier- (nod towards OK, Contender, RS300 and Musto circuits there... still all very aspirational for one day)

My last boat decision was simple D-Zero in handicap fleet (very nice boat) or Laser and proper club racing.... I choose the Laser and don't regret that decision.  

I now don't have a dog in this... I rent boats off sunny beaches these days in between other water sports - and whilst I miss dinghy racing, I don't miss some of the b**locks that goes with it whilst I'm still working full time.  

I would however add, if the future of dinghy sailing is handicap racing only, then I can't see myself bothering to return to it if and when I do live back in the UK again.  One of the draws of retirement or semi-retirement ought to be the free time to travel to nice places and do some proper sailboat racing, and why not share regattas with like-minded classes?  I've no problem with that at all if the races are separate .... but if all that's on offer is more handicap racing, then bugger that, it just won't be worth the reinvestment of time and money- especially given the ludicrous pricing most 'new' boats now seem to be.   
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Anyone who comes along enough to this forum will know that there are different views of handicap or fleet racing. Back to the point though for those that can stoop low enough to enjoy handicap racing or who have a boat that results in small opens then I think the notion of a year round series should make sense and I am happy to hear more!
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