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    Posted: 06 Sep 18 at 7:45pm
I thought the same thing when the first 'trapped by the kicker' post appeared. I think it would be much less likely as the sail prevents anything going through the gap, completely on one tack and mostly on the other. I suspect the Gnav was not developed with that in mind though.....
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Would Gnav cause same issues ?
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I always have my buoyancy aid covered by either a spraytop or a rash vest for that reason.  Too many instances of being caught by a low-slung spinnaker pole end as the boom came over (and a tiller situation on a couple of occasions as you describe).

On balance, I always wear one though.
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My sister capsized and got trapped when the tiller extension went through the arm hole and out of the neck... capsized and pinned down face first. I’ve always had a healthy disrespect of bouyancy aids since then and would never wear one unless forced to by some local rule or the RRS. They seem even more pointless when there’s added safety cover of organised sailing!!!

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Sargesail - I agree it is difficult to envisage how a kicker can cause entrapment but here's my experience from way back when:

1979 Fireball Nationals at Hayling; a breezy affair involving 178 boats.

We capsized and my crew fell from the wire into the gap between hull and boom; standard routine.  

On this occasion, though, his trapeze hook caught on the kicker and, somehow, from the wrong direction i.e. from underneath so he couldn't lift himself off the kicker.  Quite how it happened I've never figured out - perhaps it snagged in a strange way as he was resurfacing - but the end result was he was caught, being dragged underwater, as the boat began to turn turtle.  At the same time his buoyancy aid was trying to return him to the surface which meant he was locked in tight - he couldn't duck underwater to free himself and, as I said, couldn't lift himself clear either.  To compound matters the harness straps and buoyancy aid were under numerous sweatshirts and jumpers that we all wore in those days to soak up water and couldn't be undone.

All I could do was get as far back on the board as I could ( I was pretty light in those days) and try to slow down the turtling process but we reached the point where my crew could only just snatch breaths of air as waves allowed him; every few seconds his mouth and nostrils broke free of the water.  Fortunately he was very calm - outwardly anyway - and perhaps we reached equilibrium (due to the effect of the buoyancy aid?) so we just hung in there, semi-turtled, with my crew taking occasional breaths of air, for what seemed an eternity until the boat - to my surprise and relief - came up.  

Needless to say we didn't have a knife on board.  These days I make sure there are always a couple to hand. 


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I've been trapped in my 600 by the kicker. 

The boat was being held head to wind by the rescue crew so I could bring the sail down. It started to come over on top of me, usually if that happens I get to the back of the boat, but because the rescue crew were holding the front I didn't, think they would stop it capsizing. They didn't :-(

As the boat lay on it's side I was trapped between the kicker and my own buoyancy (Dry suit and BA) Fortunately they did stop it inverting, otherwise I was going under.

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SI was a knob, his favourite gripe was boom end push off, claimed it was dangerous, he was always putting in reports to committee.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Sargesail,
He tried to dry right boat but then dropped into water, his foot went through kicker which from memory was a Topaz.

I would have cut it as well then, you can always replace a few bits of rope and some blocks.

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Sargesail,
He tried to dry right boat but then dropped into water, his foot went through kicker which from memory was a Topaz.
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Originally posted by JimC

Looking at this report sailing does indeed have a pretty good record. I'd be interested to know what companies and circumstances do charge extra premiums to recreational sailors - I've never heard of it.

It was a question that was asked as part of their lifestyle assessment. I mentioned sailing it was in the list.

I would suggest anyone who has life insurance reads the small print as they may find they are not covered under certain circumstances as a lot of assumptions are made!
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