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    Posted: 21 Mar 18 at 3:08pm
Originally posted by maxibuddah

Originally posted by fab100


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Good sailors should be able to sail anything and make it look OK
Graeme, a 470 helmed by a 95kg 6ft Finn sailor would be last every time, at a proper event, just like Hannah Mills would be in a Finn.
Squaddie male 470 helms are told they must be under 60kg. Any sensible single trap boat will get to the same.
[QUOTE=iGRF] the question should be, what would, by being presented to the world at large, be better to promote the sport to a wide and gender equal audience.
Sailing is not and will never be a spectator sport. Even crash bang is usually dull to watch. Team racing is closest to being televisual, it's phrenetic but mostly happens too quickly to be explained properly. Ultimately, ours is a participation sport; we should be selling the idea of doing it, and you won't succeed in that by making people watch it. 


And the fact that it's not a spectator sport means the sport should be questioning whether it should be part of the Olympics at all. The Olympics is all about chasing the TV shilling these days and sailing will not fit in with that no matter how you tinker with classes. It's too complicated for the masses to be televisual for them.

you have an old school view of television watching.... nowadays it's about a 15-45 second clip, packaged up for Internet dissemination with wrap-around sponsorship messaging or linked content.  I'd argue the right type of sailing can be very watchable by the masses.... it just takes a bit of encouragement to cause some physical damage, maiming and/or any other form of sensationalism.

Bottom line we need more Ben Ainslie's punching reporters, a few more limbs being amputated by foils on film and failing that, more totty in skinny wetsuits.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by maxibuddah

Originally posted by fab100


Originally posted by iGRF

Good sailors should be able to sail anything and make it look OK
Graeme, a 470 helmed by a 95kg 6ft Finn sailor would be last every time, at a proper event, just like Hannah Mills would be in a Finn.
Squaddie male 470 helms are told they must be under 60kg. Any sensible single trap boat will get to the same.
[QUOTE=iGRF] the question should be, what would, by being presented to the world at large, be better to promote the sport to a wide and gender equal audience.
Sailing is not and will never be a spectator sport. Even crash bang is usually dull to watch. Team racing is closest to being televisual, it's phrenetic but mostly happens too quickly to be explained properly. Ultimately, ours is a participation sport; we should be selling the idea of doing it, and you won't succeed in that by making people watch it. 


And the fact that it's not a spectator sport means the sport should be questioning whether it should be part of the Olympics at all. The Olympics is all about chasing the TV shilling these days and sailing will not fit in with that no matter how you tinker with classes. It's too complicated for the masses to be televisual for them.

you have an old school view of television watching.... nowadays it's about a 15-45 second clip, packaged up for Internet dissemination with wrap-around sponsorship messaging or linked content.  I'd argue the right type of sailing can be very watchable by the masses.... it just takes a bit of encouragement to cause some physical damage, maiming and/or any other form of sensationalism.

Bottom line we need more Ben Ainslie's punching reporters, a few more limbs being amputated by foils on film and failing that, more totty in skinny wetsuits.

So why film mickey-mouse drifting in the lee of Sugarloaf when a drone or 3 could have created stunning footage out in the bay where the real sailing was happening? 
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I would be disappointed if Sailing was no longer in the Olympics, it gives the sport some status, allowing non-sailors to recognise its existence.  It gives a media focus for the sport.  It is a right of passage for the best sailors in the World.

Most sailors consider it to be a Corinthian sport, which it is difficult for the average weekend warrior to relate to Olympic sailing.  Many of us (well me at least) consider ISAF World Champions, particularly from the Olympic classes to have achieved more than Olympic medalling.

My issues with the Olympics are where the effects of dumbing down for television trickles down to the sport that we practice; in particular the decreasing length of races, and increasing preference for downwind finishes at Championships.

In my class, Championship races are now targeted at 45 minutes which results in an inadequate time for 100 boats to separate, and the downwind finish encourages poor rule 42 observance to secure inside berth at the leeward mark.

Bring back 1.5 to 2 hour races with windward finishes ...
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Definitely agree about upwind starts and finishes, not so sure about two hour races, I'm no longer for enough to enjoy (or even complete) them.

BTW there isn't a leeward mark WRT downwind finishes  Wink
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how do we create legendary athletes that transcend the sailing community and become household names anywhere. Names like Elvstrøm, Coutts, Scheidt and Ainslie.

He is deluded if he thinks any of those names are household names ....

Perhaps white middle class Brit's would know Ainslie but otherwise dram on ...
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

BTW there isn't a leeward mark WRT downwind finishes 


I imagine he means the sort of course that has a short broad reach to a finish from what was previously the leeward mark or one side of a gate.

Going back to one hour and a half or more long race a day, that is basically over in the first 10 minutes after the start if you haven't managed to get in the leading group, would be my idea of hell. The solution, of course is to run the race in flights so that you have reasonable sized fleets where clear air can be found by the middle of the fleet too. But short races and large line starts sounds like a good shot at getting the worst of all possible worlds.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 18 at 5:37pm
Yup, my thoughts exactly. And yes I did realise he meant that last mark before the "reaching" finish.....

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It gets back to the question, 'What do we want from it ourselves' are we after the pinnacle of sailing competition with global bragging rights, which I'm sorry, but Olympics aint it, never has been never will be, or..

Do we want some sort of televisual contrivance that will have folk beating paths to the doors of our various clubs to try this stuff?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Old Timer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 18 at 5:59pm
Talking to my sister last night; she is into motor sport; she tells me all flavours of motor sport are in decline and many will be gone in a generation.

Strikes me that all sports that require cash and commitment are in trouble with the younger generation not interested in that type of deal ... they want low commitment stuff and are limited on cash ... many can't drive or if they can the dont own cars so can travel with trailers to events...

Fiddling with the classes at the Olympic is irrelevant to grass roots participation.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Mar 18 at 6:02pm
My wife knows nothing about sailing, never been to club, yet she could follow the 'Star' racing, she was quite pleased a Brit' won, can only speak from my own experience regarding non sailors watching sailing on tv.
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I would be surprised if vast majority of Brit's couldn't name Ben Ainslie.
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