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    Posted: 23 Sep 17 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by transient

Define terms.

What is a "Class"?

A class is a design of dinghy defined by a set of rules. 
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Someone at my club has an ISO for sale. 😀


20 plus years ago I went to tbe dinghy show to buy an Iso. Luckily my route to the stand went past the Severn Sailboats stand who were doing a special offer on Fireballs. Lucky escape for me! My 4thFireball was great!!!
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Originally posted by Old Timer

A class is a design of dinghy defined by a set of rules. 


Seems obvious really. 

Edit.
I suppose you could say: If there are no boats in existence but there are drawing and rules then it's still not dead......... it's just resting.

Edited by transient - 23 Sep 17 at 9:16pm
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Are the rules the dinghy? Do we need the dinghy in solid form? Marcel Duchamps exhibited a urinal and called it art. He replied to doubters, "If I call it art then it is art". Art is something in my own perception. A boat does not need to exist. The idea is all you need.
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Wow this is getting weird
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If classes were deselected, whatever that means, by the RYA that would perhaps encourage more people into the active classes boosting the levels of class racing that would have to be better. 

All these near defunct classes kicking around just seem to cut a realativly small pie smaller. 




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I don't think the RYA sees it as its business to mandate what people sail, nor do I think its their business to. The RYA does encourage youth sailors into a limited number of classes that have support. Its interesting really that so many people get out of class racing as soon as they can.

As for the size of the pie, doing a quick sum on the PY number of races, more than 60% of PY racing is done in the top 10 most popular classes, nearly 80% in the top 20, and getting on 90% in the top 30. There doesn't seem to be that much pie being cut out anyway. By definition near defunct classes aren't diverting many people from popular classes.
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Well if you look at the fleet sizes in the youth classes looks like the ryas nomination does a lot of good. 
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But how many of them give up because the 'youth classes' are either too hard to sail or unsuitable for the typical venue (29er) or boring and 'uncool' (Topper/Oppie) when there are much more suitable boats out there?

The RYA clearly does a lot of good stuff but getting kids to transition from youth squad to adult racing is not a strong point.......
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