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    Posted: 06 May 17 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by davidyacht

Would you be better having shorter series but with two back to back races for today's time poor family persons?
And sorry to rake up this old chestnut, but back in the day, the trip to our sailing club was a family day out ... with youngsters racing Cadets whilst dad and mum sailed Merlins or 12's ... now the youngsters go squad training and mum and dad do the driving; so you could hit both nails on the head.


Easy to blame squads etc, but I guess that was all back in the day when 'the man of the house' got to choose where family leisure time would be spent.   The kids would be pushed afloat crying and cold- 'nothing a woolly jumper couldn't put right' and if 'er indoors' didn't like getting wet, well then she could jolly well pull her weight on Galley Duty.

My Mrs thinks sailing clubs, in general, are the pits for non-sailors.... especially the inland ones. I can relate as I find stables on a par, except I'd probably say the old man damp kit probably smells worse than freshly shovelled horse sh*t.

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its all about getting the sailors to communicate with each other, within and outside of their fleets.

we use whats app to chat as group within our musto fleet at one club, we dont race all that often but we train together when we can and keep the chat alive between times.  

on top of that we have a skiff facebook group for the other club which helps organise training and racing, then we have an entire river skiff group that aims to bring club fleets together for open events and training on the river as a whole.

we've grown a small fleet of RS800's and half a dozen RS600's in a year with other odds and sods all sailing more often and more importantly together.  We dont always race but we can all do with more training time anyway!

i know our our novice sailors at bsc started up only a few short years ago, use the club forum to chat and organise, and now have the largest and most consistent fleet and the best cakes too, they keep it sociable and race / train / cruise in their own fleet and join in with the old school racing too.  its been great to watch and a really good example to follow for getting participation up.

there is scope to i believe to also add buy out options for duties and or perhaps reductions for doing extra duties to membership which may encourage, but start with talking to the fleet not charging them to sail.
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My club uses Toppers, Topper Topaz and Laser Bahia, GP 14, etc, all fairly new, lightly used standard boats, we use our own SI and DI's, but more often than not we employ the services of a professional instructor, membership take up from RYA level 1&2 abysmal, more members from "Push the boat out".
would be interesting to find out figures for RYA training, what percentage continue sailing, join a club etc.
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I guess that every club is different, so the same solutions will not work in every situation, but it would seem that club's need to establish formats to suit their members, and perhaps established formats don't work for changing demographics.

When I sailed on a pond, we had two or three races a day with a lunch break in between morning and afternoon races, with the majority doing at least two of the races, but if you look at the results data for some club's there are clear "morning" groups and "afternoon" groups.  

Would you be better having shorter series but with two back to back races for today's time poor family persons?

And sorry to rake up this old chestnut, but back in the day, the trip to our sailing club was a family day out ... with youngsters racing Cadets whilst dad and mum sailed Merlins or 12's ... now the youngsters go squad training and mum and dad do the driving; so you could hit both nails on the head.
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Originally posted by 423zero

Sailing is too difficult, that's what I hear from people who do courses and drop out, nothing to do with time or money, pay a couple of hundred quid for a course and you still can't sail and still keep getting stuck in irons.

and how often is that becasue the  training  and/or the craft are not up to scratch ... 

I really do wonder how some DI s passed level 5  nevermind got it endorsed  for  pre-entry 
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Posts: 3420 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 17 at 10:30am
I can't see how a volunteer run club can cater for these people, we have enough problems with members who never turn up when they have duties, they never phone sailing secretary to say they will not turn up, turn up the following week, no explanation.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by A2Z

Maybe a better idea is to reduce the number of racing days

That only works if people have a specific limitation on the number of days they can sail, but no restriction at all on which days they are. Seems unlikely.
I'm not sure, I think there are plenty of people for whom weekly attendance is not an option, not for any specific clash but because it is self centred to spend all your free time away from your family.
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Reducing days of racing is a very tricky one to know the outcome of.

If everyone had an open calendar and the weather was always perfect, yes it would concentrate participation. However, people have commitments and weather is unreliable, reducing days could just as likely reduce number of available sailing days.

Wrestling with this all the time.  
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Originally posted by A2Z

Maybe a better idea is to reduce the number of racing days

That only works if people have a specific limitation on the number of days they can sail, but no restriction at all on which days they are. Seems unlikely.
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Rugby is also played by clubs run by volunteers, but the fly half can't look about the window and decide it's a bit too rainy/windy/cold to turn up.  Whilst dinghy racing is not a team sport, it does still need a quorum of people to make it worthwhile. 

Maybe a better idea is to reduce the number of racing days - if races were only scheduled on alternate Sunday mornings there would only be a max of 26 races a year, rather than the 100+ that currently dilutes attendance. 
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