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    Posted: 31 Aug 16 at 9:51pm
I wouldn't worry too much about the racing confusing the public - the cycling at the velodrome must take the biscuit for that. Races where they cycle as slow as possible for half the race, one where they follow a motor bike for a bit and one, the omnium(?) where nobody has a clue what's going on. Makes sailing look obvious really 
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Yep. Stuff like the points race is confusing to watch - even for those of us who actually do them ourselves!  




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I reckon a knockout series is the way to go. Bottom 4 boats in each race are excluded from the competition. Start with 22, and the final two go at it in a winner takes all match race!

Its a similar concept to other sports and would make it both easy to understand and entertaining to the last.

As for location, we can all moan about the venue but some of the best racing this year has been on the city courses in extreme 40s, or M32 series where its hardly described as a sailors paradise. So Im happy for the city courses to stay, just got to get the events to be of interest. Actually sod it, lets just do it in M32s with a Mens quad and a womens quad?????
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Rupert

Simply making the rig one design...for the Europe.


Think you'll find the rig was one design at the end, but measured one design, and this became part of the problem. If you want to make an unrestricted mast stiffer you glue some more carbon on the outside. If you want to make a restricted mast stiffer then you throw it away and make a new one, because you're not allowed to make it 1mm thicker. Similarly if you want it to bend more you end up with sandpaper on the end of a 15foot stick removing material on the inside.

Yes, the rig wasn't made totally one design. Shirley Robertson's 2000 boat had a wing mast and much of the development cost was to improve aerodynamics.  After Sydney the outer cross sections of masts were standardised to give identical aerodynamics and outlaw wing masts.  The amount of carbon and its distribution were still uncontrolled to give variations in stiffness for different sized sailors and you could have any cut of sail from any sailmaker.  Europe rigs were never supplied equipment at the Olympics.  Understandable that the Laser Radial came in with the benefit of affordability.

The mast remains the most expensive bit of a Europe.  Hope I never break mine!

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Now then....if we are rearranging the Olympic classes round a bit. Put the ladies in a boat that suits the average size athletic lady rather than exceptionally tall or beefy (however lovely) ones. 

What is "the average size athletic" woman, or man for that matter? How do you define "athletic"? 

The only Radial Olympian I know, btw, is neither exceptionally tall or beefy.
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Makes you wonder why they threw the Europe out really.........

I believe the Europe was discarded because it was expensive and tricky to maintain its performance. they wanted an 'out of the box' ladies boat......and chose the Radial over the Byte, which was perfect for the job. Oh well....
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Originally posted by iiiiticki

Now then....if we are rearranging the Olympic classes round a bit. Put the ladies in a boat that suits the average size athletic lady rather than exceptionally tall or beefy (however lovely) ones. 

What is "the average size athletic" woman, or man for that matter? How do you define "athletic"? 

The only Radial Olympian I know, btw, is neither exceptionally tall or beefy.


The lady who won the London Radial Gold was over six foot I believe and her coach was quoted as saying that ideally a Radial sailor needs to be over 12 stone. Most athletic girls I know, including my own daughter, are usually about 5' 4" to 5'6" and 8 - 9 stone. That is average height for a woman and if you train for fitness rather than power you will not put on bulk. Sarah Ayton and Shirley Robertson from Europe days certainly fitted that template. 
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Byte can cope with a variety of weights up to a certain limit. Heavier helms have an easier time in a blow but loose out down wind in the light....swings and roundabouts....but to see a 7 stone girl with block to block cunninham on and coping in wind is a sight to see.
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Originally posted by Bootscooter



It's funny you should say that Mr Tick....
.... I heard a while ago that one of the serious suggestions (as opposed to the wholesale slaughter in the linked opinion/article/agenda) is to scrap the male and female 470s and replace with a Mixed 470 and a lightweight female single-hander - likely to be the Byte CII.
This would sort out the gender/medal issue completely.  As for foils, short races etc, it doesn't matter one jot as to which classes are used and how long the races are if we (or WS) continue to put up with god-awful TV coverage.  Nothing looks good on a flat, shifty roll-the-dice course, and that's all we were served up from RIO.  Had coverage come from the outside courses we'd have seen Finns, 470s and Nacras getting airborne in huge wages, we'd have seen sailors battling not just each other but the elements too with a visual spectacle worthy of a medal in itself.
Personally, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me, I think that warp-factor-snot skiffs and foiling machines don't make for a good (visual) race as there's so much focus boatspeed, necessitating separation and the loss of close racing.  I reckon they'd look awful in light winds, and even worse when it's blowing old boots with big waves and they're sat on the shore, un-sailable.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with what we've got (aside from the change I suggest up there), but if the powers that be want good visuals for the TV audience then they've got to provide it.  The sailors (and classes) are keeping their side of the bargain....


I can remember being slaughtered on here for calling you a moron (brotherly love) when you were saying how great foiling races were, and I insisted the close racing of more speed-matched boats was far more exciting.

You've changed. Must be cos you sail a slow boat now ;-)
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Sailing is not that difficult to understand, well class racing anyway. I frequently find myself explaining it to the uninitiated whilst spectating. But of course that is on lakes. It should be possible out to sea as well using drones and tracking. The problem is that no one ever tries. F1 would not be very exciting if all you had was one camera on the start/finish line or if you saw the cars off, went away for a cup of tea and a pie and came back for the end.

At Castle Cove recently I was talking to Glenn Trusswell, who is leading the I 14 Worlds at the moment, and looking at the incredible boat. Stick a Go Pro on that thing pointing at he and Pascoe combined with a drone.....how exciting would that be?
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