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Jist because there is no evidence for something doesn't mean it's not true. But Toppers are injection moulded, in one factory and have one sailmaker, spar maker etc. I have no doubt they are more consistently produced than hand Kay up Lasers built in several places with a choice if sails. Likewise, 49er and Musto have higher quality production techniques that should ensure tighter tolerences and hence greater similarity. I've no idea if RS are any more OD than a Lader, but you can't pick your sailmaker at least.
Not knocking the Laser, but to claim it is the tightest OD in the world surely also needs some evidence to back it up. The advert, even though retracted (in part) does not inspire confidence and neither does unpublished results of measurements taken at Santander. |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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I understand the point about creating ammunition for people to chuck back at you, but I'm pretty confident that the result would show that at least some builders are making boats to very tight specs. If some builders aren't then IMHO they should get their act together in the long-term interest of all concerned. Rejection of certain boats could probably be solved by builders stating the tolerances in advance. I know that even under the current system, if I got a new boat that was well outside normal dimensions I'd be returning it with commentary on the Sale of Goods Act and what "fit for purpose" means in a boat sold as a strict one design.
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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With respect, where is your evidence that the above are closer to one design than the Laser is? |
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Too many to list, but Topper, most of the RS boats, Musto skiff, 49er (which has plenty of debate around who makes the best, but without consensus), etc etc.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Topper. All injection moulded. Much more consistent than hand layup Lasers.
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Emilio Castelli ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 11 Location: Sebastopol, Ca Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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Care to elaborate with an example of a boat you think is closer to one design than the Laser? Thanks E
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The Laser is as close as it gets? Pull the other one...
The ad retraction didn't even deny the choosing North or Hyde. Surely if they're the same you wouldn't need a choice? |
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Emilio Castelli ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 11 Location: Sebastopol, Ca Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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FFS this news is so old everybody forgot?
I mean, we used to measure rake and weight in the 80s; if you were halfway serious about sailing lasers you would pick your boat and spars, given a chance. Ben Ainslie in his Laser book (20 yrs ago?), page 10 talks about measuring your rake, how to do it and the best range. He also says" newer boats vary very little". Get over it; no two boats (or objects) can be perfectly identical. As far as sailing The Laser is still as close as it gets. E E
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Vronny ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 31 Mar 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 121 |
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I was on a sailing holiday in Greece two or three years ago. The company had got a batch of a dozen or so new Lasers. One of the top Lasers sailors in Greece measured the mast rake on all of them and chose the best ones to go to the Greek laser squad and the rest were kept by the holiday company. I watched him choose the boats. He had a lower mast section which he put in each mast hole and measured from the top of it to the back of the boat. And I think he measured from the back of the mast to the stern corners too.
If you have access to several lasers, you could easily do something similar to see if there are noticeable differences in lasers at your club. There again, if your boat turns out to be different to other people's, would you know if it was different in a good way or a bad way?!
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sandgrounder ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 220 |
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I'm not worried at all, simply intrigued that the 9 times World Champion goes to the trouble and expense of shipping a boat all the way from Ourimba in New South Wales, when he could simply drive a couple of hours down the road to Milan and purchase a new boat from the Italian Laser dealer. |
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