New Posts New Posts RSS Feed: Olympic Classes for 2012
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Olympic Classes for 2012

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 2627282930>
Author
Skiffman View Drop Down
Far too distracted from work
Far too distracted from work
Avatar

Joined: 27 May 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 291
Post Options Post Options   Quote Skiffman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Olympic Classes for 2012
    Posted: 17 Aug 09 at 11:16pm
nor sure how many people on here have campaign an olympic class full
time but all classes are expensive! This is because you are sailing for over
200 days a year, and sailing a lot harder than most people. When we go
out training we sometimes do over 100 gybes in a day, thats not good on
the kite at all plus all the hoists and drops.

The 49er is not cheap but its actually not that bad. To give you an idea a
new boat including covers, trolley and trick bits costs us about £16000,
we sell it after 2 years for £10000 so thats £3000 a year loss. A new set
of sails cost £2500 which we need at least one set a year. Plus its nice to
have a new mast a year. So a new boat does not really cost that much in
the overall campaign costs.

Also the new carbon rigs has had issues but they are being resolved and
the new sails are lasting a lot longer than we first thought. The main
laminate has got thinner for the square top to work but it is lasting very
well. In fact the mains last 6 weeks of racing and the jibs and kites last
between 3/4 depending on breeze. But do not get me wrong it is not
cheap and i would love cheaper sails, boats and masts but compared to
the overall costs its not alot.

the 49er is the one class in the olympics that is moving things on, ISAF
look to the 49er to try and test thing before moving over to other classes.
I really hope the 49er keeps its place or it is replaced by an even more
high performance 2 person boat (maybe foiler).
49er GBR5

teamfletcherandsign.co.uk
Team Fletcher and Sign campaign site
Back to Top
redback View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 16 Mar 04
Location: Tunbridge Wells
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1502
Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 09 at 9:46pm
If the 4000 is dull what do you call a 470? I was thinking
the performance equalisation system could make the boat a
good one for heavyweights, lightweights, males and females
to compete on equal terms.
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 09 at 9:50pm
I'd far far rather watch the 470 than the 4000
.

Edited by Doug.H
Back to Top
JimC View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 17 May 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6662
Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 09 at 10:14pm
Originally posted by redback

I was thinking the performance equalisation system

Its been pretty well demonstrated that equalisation systems don't work at elite level. Its also worth noting that the 470 outsold the 4 Tonner 10:1 over the last 5 years. Even when the 4 tonner could be sold (seems to be 4 years since they've sold any, so you can figure the clss is near enough dead) the 470 was shipping twice as many boats worldwide. Its just a far more popular boat internationally.
Back to Top
Jon Meadowcroft View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 26 Aug 08
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 64
Post Options Post Options   Quote Jon Meadowcroft Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 09 at 10:17pm
redback wrote:
I was thinking the performance equalisation system

 

You have not convinced me that you were thinking!  I dont think that there is any evidence beyond unsubstantiated bar room discussion that weight equalisation systems work.  They continue to encourage typeforming ie tall skinny and agile is best

Back to Top
Villan View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 26 Nov 05
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1768
Post Options Post Options   Quote Villan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 09 at 10:26pm
Is the olympics not about being at your best, and performing at your peak? Surely the "tall skinny and agile" choices are better than the 40-a-day, 17 stone couch potatos whos closest link to "sport" is shouting at the TV where they are watching other people play?
Vareo - 149 "Secrets"
TandyUK Servers
Back to Top
Guest View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 21 May 04
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 0
Post Options Post Options   Quote Guest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 09 at 10:49pm

Originally posted by JimC

the 470 outsold the 4 Tonner 10:1 over the last 5 years.

Yes, but if the 470 was dropped and replaced by the 4 tonner I am sure the reverse would be true ...

 

Back to Top
redback View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 16 Mar 04
Location: Tunbridge Wells
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1502
Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 09 at 8:49am
Actually I'm not a fan of the performance equalisation thing.  It seems crazy to have a perfomance boat with lumps of lead in it, and worse still for lightwieghts because they have to pull a very heavy boat up the beach.
Back to Top
tmoore View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 01 Nov 07
Location: Wales
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 880
Post Options Post Options   Quote tmoore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 09 at 10:34am

Being one of the lightest in the 300 i do lose out in breeze. However in the lighter stuff i gain by more. Overall it makes no odds and with good boat handling and lots of hard work (hiking etc) I can still beat heavier guys in a blow.

Why bother getting a RS800 and having lead in it? Seems crazy as well as adding unnessesary complication.

IMO finn, laser, 49er radial should all stay.

Landlocked in Africa
RS300 - 410
Firefly F517 - Nutshell
Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse
Back to Top
English Dave View Drop Down
Really should get out more
Really should get out more
Avatar

Joined: 10 Aug 06
Location: Northern Ireland
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 682
Post Options Post Options   Quote English Dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 09 at 11:54am

If you view the Olympics as not just the pinnacle of our sport but also the showcase then surely you would want elements from all over sailing.

If this was motorsport you'd maybe want.

1. An open cockpit single seater.
2. Driver/navigator rally car
3. A track motorbike
4. An off road motorbike
5. A road car derivative for track
6. An endurance sports car
etc

You can add/delete your own categories. The point is that you'd want one representative for each area. Maybe you'd choose F1 over Champ car for the single seat, perhaps you could argue a case for the 470 or the 800 or the Alto for the two person dinghy. But you wouldn't use both F1 and Champ - that would be showing the same car to the uninitiated and so would be a duplication in your showcase. It's for that reason that I think ISAF and IOC have missed a trick when deciding which elements of our sport are represented at this highest level. There is both duplication and omission. As potential competitiors we miss out and the non-sailing public miss the nuances between the Laser and Finn and think that all sailing is the same. Raising the profile of our sport is not always about the glamour boats but it does need to show that there are a variety of aspects to sailing to tempt the onlooker.

As a Cat sailor I will miss the Tornado but I regret the Women's HP omission just as much.

English Dave
Ballyholme Yacht Club

(You'd think I'd be better at it by now)

Hurricane 5.9 SX
RS700
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 2627282930>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Bulletin Board Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 9.665y
Copyright ©2001-2010 Web Wiz
Change your personal settings, or read our privacy policy