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    Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 4:12pm
I've found this an interesting read. 

https://ukpolicelawblog.com/index.php/coronavirus/261-one-kingdom-but-four-nations-emerging-from-lockdown-at-four-different-rates-under-four-different-laws

Referring to gatherings there is a definition in the regulations.

(3) For the purposes of this regulation—

(a)there is a gathering when two or more people are present together in the same place in order to engage in any form of social interaction with each other, or to undertake any other activity with each other;

The blog discusses the example of 'shared or common purpose' when considering whether an activity is 'with each other'. People queuing for a bathroom are gathered for a common purpose, but not a shared purpose. They're there to go for a waz, but they're not wazing with each other. 

I guess this is relevant to sailors on the water. They are their for a common purpose, but not a shared purpose.

I am sailing with my crew (shared purpose). Other people are just there also sailing (common purpose). 

How does this relate to racing? Well, I would say I have a common purpose with other boats (to sail around a course as fast as possible). But, the specific purpose of sailing my boat around the course is shared only with my crew. 
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What troubles me about some of the comments on here and FB is the seeming lack of willingness to apply common sense to the guidelines. Feels like people are more comfortable with "rules" than avoiding spreading the virus. I mean, why are people arguing that six people is the maximum on a start - is there any evidence that this would affect the spread of COVID? Of course not!

Now do not get me wrong - there are plonkers jumping off durdle door for whom common sense has also missed out but the vast majority of us utilise common sense to our daily lives quite successfully and it just feels that a vocal few who are more comfortable with a rules-based-society are shouting louder than the common-sense-majority.
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We had a "line" start for what we considered to be an informal race ... no club involvement, in the harbour, with a synced watch "start", to be fair about 10 on the "line".  Some Wag posted a comment on local social media which raised sensitive eyebrows from the harbour authority.  So our WhatsApp group have agreed to no more than six and rabbit starts for the forseeable.  With hindsight I can see how non-sailing sensibilities might be offended, though I cannot see the risk, but then I want to get racing.


What exactly was it that caused the HM’s eyebrows to raise?
Our HM has been very supportive of us getting back on the water, though apparently looking for clear signals from the RYA. 
The line start and the numbers involved ... highlighted by a social media post by a non-sailor.  To be frank we were probably all a little too enthusiastic when let off the hook.
My reason for posting is that rabbit starts, numbers six or less out of sight of the public are less likely to provoke a reaction ... a lesson learned, and which can be passed onto others.


I think on numbers a fair cop (especially if it was before Monday). But not the line start.

‘Let us reckon the vain tittle-tattle of old men (social media afficianados) at naught’.
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We're looking at pursuit races, where starts are staggered, for a mix of classes. 

Alternatively, if you are all in your Solos David, you could always go car-rally style, setting off 30 seconds or a minute apart, then note your finish order and time yourselves at the final mark
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Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by davidyacht

We had a "line" start for what we considered to be an informal race ... no club involvement, in the harbour, with a synced watch "start", to be fair about 10 on the "line".  Some Wag posted a comment on local social media which raised sensitive eyebrows from the harbour authority.  So our WhatsApp group have agreed to no more than six and rabbit starts for the forseeable.  With hindsight I can see how non-sailing sensibilities might be offended, though I cannot see the risk, but then I want to get racing.


What exactly was it that caused the HM’s eyebrows to raise?

Our HM has been very supportive of us getting back on the water, though apparently looking for clear signals from the RYA.
 
The line start and the numbers involved ... highlighted by a social media post by a non-sailor.  To be frank we were probably all a little too enthusiastic when let off the hook.

My reason for posting is that rabbit starts, numbers six or less out of sight of the public are less likely to provoke a reaction ... a lesson learned, and which can be passed onto others.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

We had a "line" start for what we considered to be an informal race ... no club involvement, in the harbour, with a synced watch "start", to be fair about 10 on the "line".  Some Wag posted a comment on local social media which raised sensitive eyebrows from the harbour authority.  So our WhatsApp group have agreed to no more than six and rabbit starts for the forseeable.  With hindsight I can see how non-sailing sensibilities might be offended, though I cannot see the risk, but then I want to get racing.


What exactly was it that caused the HM’s eyebrows to raise?
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We had a "line" start for what we considered to be an informal race ... no club involvement, in the harbour, with a synced watch "start", to be fair about 10 on the "line".  Some Wag posted a comment on local social media which raised sensitive eyebrows from the harbour authority.  So our WhatsApp group have agreed to no more than six and rabbit starts for the forseeable.  With hindsight I can see how non-sailing sensibilities might be offended, though I cannot see the risk, but then I want to get racing.
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People getting hot under the collar is understandable, think of the implications of a outbreak at 'Shustoke'.
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