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Ruscoe
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Topic: RS400 proposed changes Posted: 08 Nov 12 at 3:54pm |
Originally posted by Jamesd
I'm sorry if i offended people, i really am.
Im a mellow person, but i will not tolerate people talking down the hard work and investment of others. Especially myself and friends.
I stand by my beliefs and i argue for what i think is right.
I am no longer a comms rep and quite honestly i never really had anything to do with communications (still not sure what ones meant to do).
I apologize to LDC and my views are my own and not related to them in anyway.
BUT i am not sorry for shredding Hornet, I would speak my mind to him no differently in a boat park! Whether its the right way to go about it or not, i would still speak my mind! |
Dude you havnt shreded (? whatever that means) anyone, your points are very valid and IMO you are right, but you have lost the argument when you started calling him a C**t. Standby what you beleive but at least have the decency to admit when you over stepped the mark. Also if you spoke to him in a boat park like that at a regatta you would almost certainly be banned if he slept with your wife then yeah! but he is just echoing his view, i guess he isnt the only 400 sailor that feels the same.
This forum is a great place for heated debate, but come on lets not get personal!!!
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boatbasher
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Posted: 08 Nov 12 at 4:29pm |
Originally posted by Jamesd
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If? ... calling people c**nts and to55ers will always cause offense if you ask me ...
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Daniel Holman
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Posted: 08 Nov 12 at 5:07pm |
I don't know, I call my nearest and dearest "c**nts" (an affectionate manner)
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Ruscoe
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Posted: 08 Nov 12 at 5:20pm |
Originally posted by Daniel Holman
I don't know, I call my nearest and dearest "c**nts" (an affectionate manner)
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Ha ha, my wife calls me it all the time. Obviously when the kids are not in ear shot. Its just something we have always done. Its vulgar, but in the right context (a bit of fun) But this was a bit more than that. I certainly wouldn’t stand for it if someone called me it in a dinghy park, or on a forum just because my POV differed from theirs albeit because I was not as educated in a matter.
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Daniel Holman
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Posted: 08 Nov 12 at 5:31pm |
Originally posted by Ruscoe
Originally posted by Daniel Holman
I don't know, I call my nearest and dearest "c**nts" (an affectionate manner) |
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I like the cut of your wife's jib, sir!
Agreed re context though - if meant offensively its a lamping offence.
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hum3
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Posted: 08 Nov 12 at 5:36pm |
Originally posted by Ruscoe
I certainly wouldn’t stand for it if someone called me it in a dinghy park, or on a forum just because my POV differed from theirs albeit because I was not as educated in a matter. |
I dunno - wasn't really a different POV. If someone essentially called me a liar in a public place... All bets are off! Better be pretty sure of the facts before you start throwing grenades...
All very British, this business... 
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Posted: 08 Nov 12 at 6:30pm |
Sorry but i didnt call anyone a liar ! If thats how it has come accross then i apologise whole heartedly and i have no problem doing so, But it was an opinion (and part experience of bieng a customer)which i believe i am allowed to express in the forum?? Am i not?
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Rupert
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Posted: 08 Nov 12 at 6:36pm |
Originally posted by Hornet
Sorry but i didnt call anyone a liar ! If thats how it has come accross then i apologise whole heartedly and i have no problem doing so,But it was an opinion (and part experience of bieng a customer)which i believe i am allowed to express in the forum?? Am i not? |
You certainly are...but... it did seem to be coming across as very angry, which is odd, considering we are talking about a hobby. Surprised that it has got this far, really - maybe Mark is enjoying handbags in the afternoon, too.
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RS400atC
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Posted: 08 Nov 12 at 6:54pm |
Originally posted by Alex Newton-Southon
Hi all
I just want to clarify on a couple of points and get back to the main topic.
The original concept of having a tapered spinnaker pole was to aid the launch system on a single line hoist. The original new spec spinnaker pole which we tested significantly, had a ration of 40% carbon against glass. The reason why we went down this route was to keep costs sensible as we had to retain a similar weight to the aluminum pole.
This pole was very much designed purely for the RS400 and we tested it over many months of sailing in all sorts of conditions and got feedback through many sailors without any problems. All the static load tests compared to the aluminum pole made us happy to put this into production.
The problem occurred when we under estimated the uniform shape of existing pole mouths on existing boats when swapping over from aluminum to carbon poles. Most of the breakages occurred when the pole was set in the middle of the pole mouth during certain high wind conditions where the spinnaker was allowed to flog, the inertia of the pole bending around the mouth led to point loading where the pole exits, and this was enough to break the pole.
I agree with Kev M comments - May be by a trial on a few boats over the year, this problem might of been more apparent. As i said before the static load tests showed great results and we didn't have a reason to doubt this along side the information we gained by the sailing we had done. I guess thats hindsight for you.. and we should learn on this.
We went through many ideas and options to sort the problem, but felt the best way forward was to replace the poles we had delivered, with a higher content carbon tube, to increase the strength add we added a nylon internal bulkhead to reduce the compression, the simulations which we did saw a dramatic improvement.
This bulkhead was positioned internally at the point where the pole exited the bow when the sprit was fully launched. We felt this was the better option than trying to retro fit all the boats with a tube enlarging the bearing surface, as we were concerned about introducing a further problem as the pole needs to gype from side to side.
Since then we have had unfortunately a further problem. There was an issue with a bad batch of glue which was used to hold in the nylon bulkheads. In some very few instances the glue has failed and the bulkhead has been able to slide back effecting the lack of support around the pole exit once again.
I just want to stress at this point - The movement of the internal bulkhead has only happened on a small number of sprits and I'm confident it does not effect the majority of them. We are not taking any chances on this matter, and we are just about to start a program with CA in checking all bowsprits as we really want this problem to reach a complete conclusion before the start of next sailing season. Since introducing the bonded in bulkhead the problem has been resolved.
Could we of done things differently, for sure..... but we are actively sorting it out.
Please contact me directly if you have any concerns on the Spinnaker pole on :- alex@rssailing.com
many thanks
Alex
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Nylon seems a curous choice of material? Swells when wet Notoriously difficult to glue High thermal expansion Better than mixing aluminium with carbon fibre though. That can lead to disastrous corrosion, as I've seen on another boat. Luckily I'm happy with the ali pole.
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Rupert
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Posted: 08 Nov 12 at 7:37pm |
Nylon swells when wet?
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