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    Posted: 24 Nov 08 at 5:50pm
I am sure a decision will be made before the November meeting next year because under 3 years is not long enough time to put together a campaign. Most likely a decision will be made in the February/May meetings (I feel it is too much to hope that things will move significantly forward in the IOC meeting next month). It is interesting that at the last ISAF meeting very little publicity was made about the 11th event.

Personally I think the one design Tornado has a 2/3 chance of being in 2012...
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OK so its been decided, here are the sailing classes for
the 2012 Olympics

Men's One Person Dinghy - Laser
Men's One Person Dinghy Heavy - Finn
Men's Two Person Dinghy - 470
Men's Two Person Dinghy High Performance - 49er
Men's Windsurfer - RS:X
Men's Keelboat - Star
Women's One Person Dinghy - Laser Radial
Women's Two Person Dinghy - 470
Women's Keelboat Match Racing - Elliott 6m
Women's Windsurfer - RS:X
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to my mind that still seems a strange bunch of events
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I'd agree, strange.  I know the cognoscenti love the Star but its out of place and I would have thought the men and women would be able to race on equal footing in the 470 and then 2 single handers for men - that can't be right.  As for the Windsurfer can't we mix the sexes here too and how come the women get match racing and the men don't.

I love watching the 49ers but they are expensive - can that be justified?

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a better list?

Men's singlehander: Laser
Men's doublehander: 470/505? (possibly)
Men's skiff: 49er
Men's board: RS:X
Women's singlehander: Laser Radial
Women's doublehander: 470
Women's skiff: 29er/29erXX
Women's board: RS:X
Mixed skiff: RS800
Mixed keel: ???

(and some cats in there somewhere, i guess the tornado
for men but dunno what would make a suitable women's cat)

just my ideas for if there was to be a complete shake up
of olympic sailing which i think is much needed but very
unlikely due to the politics of the whole thing.

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I don't know why they persist with the 470, its expensive because it doesn't last and its not very exciting to watch.  Perhaps a Laser 4000 would be better and with its equalisation system they could combine the sexes.  Its cheap and it lasts and it would be exciting to watch.

Hey I've just thought all that lead might make the keel boat sailors feel at home and so we can ditch the Star and that other keelboat thingy!

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Originally posted by redback

I don't know why they persist with the 470, its
expensive because it doesn't last and its not very exciting to watch. 
Perhaps a Laser 4000 would be better and with its equalisation system
they could combine the sexes.  Its cheap and it lasts and it would be
exciting to watch.



....... No. They just need to be allowed to make the 470 better so it
actually lasts. I like that there's a symmetric kite boat in the olympics. If
you don't want the 470, the fireball is probably good replacement though
it wouldn't be that great for the girls as you need to weigh a fair bit to
crew one.

I like the laser 4000, I enjoyed sailing it both in a helming and crewing
position. However, I'd much prefer to watch the 470's than I ever would a
4000. I don't want to watch lots of the same type of sailing. The 49er
does the skiffy thing, and having the 470 gives something very different
to watch. Plus I think the 470 is a brilliant looking boat.

I Like the current line up with the exception of the match racing and I'm
not a massive fan of the star, and I certainly DON'T miss the tornado. A
womans skiff to compliment the men in the 49er would make a good
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Originally posted by redback


I love watching the 49ers but they are expensive - can
that be justified?



I don't think the 49er is that expensive to campaign, sails
and foils are one design, boats hold their value well for
resale, no development costs...
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Laserboy04 is probably not one of the larger sailors on the water, judging by his selection!

I would maintain that sailing needs a heavy weight single handed and a heavyweight two man boat (Personally I would have preffered that the Star throw out the most recent weight limit). Any other candidates than the Finn and the Star.

If you have sailed a Star, however briefly, and sailed in a class, event your are unlikely to question the Star's place in the Olympics.

I maintain that sailng should be a mixed sport, with choice of boats and weight limits so that in the lightweight classes there are a majority of women.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Aug 09 at 9:34pm

I was thinking - drop the 49er and drop the 470 and put the women and the men in a 4000.  Much cheaper than a 470 (and faster) and much, much cheaper than a 49er, then we could get more nations involved as they could aford it.

The 49er is expensive.  Speak to anybody campaigning one and you'll find they had to have a new mast in the early days, and now a new mast and sails.  I think there's been minor changes to the foils and the hulls which has required selling off the old ones and buying new.  It may be a one design in name but it keeps changing.

The other thing I'd be keen on removing is this artificial devision of men and women.  Lightweights are increasingly at an advantage in sailing and so this should equalise the difference between women and men.  It used to be that the optimum 5o5 or Flying Dutchmen crew was about 16 stone - not any more.  My friends  who campaign a 49er are regarded as the heaviest in the fleet.  The crew probably does weight about 13 stone and the helm about 11 and that's in a boat that carries about 50 sq metres off the wind.  I reason that most boats would go best with less.

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