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    Posted: 17 Nov 11 at 6:20pm

Absolutely awesome. One of the coolest TP52 videos I've ever seen.


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Amazing footage from the TP52's. Looks like the are chucking them around like big dinghies. Great teamwork and boat handling.
I'm wondering, do they have 'power steering' hydraulics on the tiller steering or does the helmsman use raw feel from the rudder?
 
Along with the Extreme 40 and AC coverage, this almost makes big boats appealing to me!
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Originally posted by Andymac

Amazing footage from the TP52's. Looks like the are chucking them around like big dinghies. Great teamwork and boat handling.
I'm wondering, do they have 'power steering' hydraulics on the tiller steering or does the helmsman use raw feel from the rudder?
 
Along with the Extreme 40 and AC coverage, this almost makes big boats appealing to me!

I think they use extremely expensive and accurate power steering? I'm not too sure how they'd cope otherwise, the rudder must be insanely loaded up on a windy kite leg like the one in the Quantum video. Maybe they just have MASSIVE helmsmen!  LOL 


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Originally posted by Mister Nick

Originally posted by Andymac

Amazing footage from the TP52's. Looks like the are chucking them around like big dinghies. Great teamwork and boat handling.
I'm wondering, do they have 'power steering' hydraulics on the tiller steering or does the helmsman use raw feel from the rudder?
 
Along with the Extreme 40 and AC coverage, this almost makes big boats appealing to me!

I think they use extremely expensive and accurate power steering? I'm not too sure how they'd cope otherwise, the rudder must be insanely loaded up on a windy kite leg like the one in the Quantum video. Maybe they just have MASSIVE helmsmen!  LOL
 
I did realise a helmsman wouldn't be able to hold those loads unaided, but the loads could be reduced significantly though some sort of mechanical gearing system whilst keeping the 'feel'.
No doubt 'extremely expensive', figures in just about every bit of engineering on those things.
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AFAIK theres no fancy hydraulics in there. The rudders have a fairly short chord to them and are semi balanced so the loads wouldn't actually be that great. The TP's with the wheels obviously have some gearing to them to them but the boats with tillers are just connected straight.
They are designed to be a grand prix racer so the added weight of heavy hydraulic rams would increase displacement and therefore decrease speed which is not what they want!
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This suggests no assistance:


" Due to their light weight, the steering on the twin carbon wheels or tiller is finger tip control. "

The long tiller would provide "mechanical gearing".

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Thanks for those answers.
I always say the only silly question is the one you don't ask.
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Originally posted by s.a.l.t.y

The rudders have a fairly short chord to them and are semi balanced so the loads wouldn't actually be that great.


Standard practice in big boats is to have balanced rudders. You can dial in whatever balance you like to affect sensitivity and loading. On one of my previous big boats I had a rudder so finely balanced (I felt very dinghy like) that the prop wash was enough to overbalance it, meaning the rudder wouldn't stay centre. Prop wash overbalances because it slows down dramatically as it passes the rudder therefore increasing the hydrodynamic force at the front compared to the back of the blade. That and the turbulence of the wash.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Nov 11 at 6:17pm
Found this archive material on Youtube, well worth a look (part 1 of 2).
 
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