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    Posted: 25 Jul 14 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by jeffers

Slippiness was not something I had an issue with ... as the crew fell in


Then I can only conclude either the Wicked Wing Wang or the Merlinb**tards sprayed it with suntan lotion..

Or that jumping jellyfish came in and slimed us when we were not looking.
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Slippiness was not something I had an issue with Grumpf (and I sailed that boat several times). Falling over laughing as the crew fell in was an issue though as was being thrown out the back (almost) when it accelerated out of a tack or gybe.

Seems you enjoyed the boat, you will get quicker the more you sail it and when you get it right the boat flies.
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No you are all of course right in me learning to tack correctly, it is a constant irritant which I'm sure would also improve my single handed sailing, I'm always getting in a mess, particularly going from port to starboard, the other way isn't so problematic for some reason, but yes the teeth come into play or as we found in the icon another routine where the crew takes it from me until I switch and climb mount gunwale (it's a long way up for short people and in the case of boats like the 300, insurmountable in a North Face of the Eiger kind of way), the Icon just added to the issue I'm half way up then end up slipping back down into the boat, we both spent a fair amount of time squatted in the bottom.

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Just the method where you swap hands at the end, tick. The teeth method should have gone out when dentists decided they liked swimming pools and Jags.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 14 at 11:19am
splitties are indeed that tick.... they make for very uncomfortable footwear when wearing drysuits, but allegedly Madame Whiplash's Dungeon near Broxbourne thought they were rather, erm, 'neat'.

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Originally posted by Rupert

Maybe try some sailing boots for grip? Your comment about your "splitties" (whatever they are) being nearly as grippy as bare feet suggests it is the wrong kind of grip for a dinghy non-slip, as bare feet really don't grip that well either.

You cleat the main going through the tacks? Why not just learn the proper method of tacking, and then you will find a whole area of sailing tactics opens up, as well as being able to switch from one set up to another without struggling.


Are 'splitties' where your big toe is separate? I just bought some new boots (they should see me out) and these where (rejected) an option).

'proper method of tacking'......do you mean cleat with your teeth? See pic on Lightning Facebook page.
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Beware pulling the jib cunningham (downhaul) to tight or it will spoil pointing. the tension on the halyard on a standard set up is not the same as jib luff tension with a forestay.
Have a play and see what it does dont just yank it on hard.
Had zip luff jibs on my 505 for years never an issue.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Punky


What's not to like about the jib zip Graeme?  Its way better than shanks or a luff wire IMO.


It will break, zips always do and then where are you? Then there's the lack of a pulley block at the top and Wing wang told me to route the halyard back down the jib luff and through that little pulley at the bottom.

Maybe it's me but every boat I've had uses enormous lead edge jib tension, Jib sag is a killer, that leading edge needs to be knife sharp, there's nowhere near enough purchase to get the sort of entry I like with the jib, call me picky but I think that needs sorting with a different approach.
 
They shouldn't break - it is a standard system used on nearly all, shock horror, cats. Well proven.
Routing the halyard back down the jib luff means no hole in the mast to feed the halyard through.  If you take it through the pulley at the bottom and lead the halyard back to the cockpit, you can then adjust luff tension (not rig tension) on the go, just like the main's downhaul.  You can tension the jib luff as much as you like, but rig tension is not controlled by this, rather by the lever on the forestay.  If you feel it is too low, you can adjust the lever fulcrum (not whilst sailing, obviously) - but it is likely to be okay and beware, it can bite your fingers off!
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Maybe try some sailing boots for grip? Your comment about your "splitties" (whatever they are) being nearly as grippy as bare feet suggests it is the wrong kind of grip for a dinghy non-slip, as bare feet really don't grip that well either.

You cleat the main going through the tacks? Why not just learn the proper method of tacking, and then you will find a whole area of sailing tactics opens up, as well as being able to switch from one set up to another without struggling.
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Originally posted by iiitick

Tasar (this post is Tasar v Icon) has stupid little clips on the jib luff. It also has a wire forestay to clip it to. Tasar runs minimal rig tension and the jib luff can be seen to fall away up wind, however when you both hike the mast falls away to leeward and the jib luff tensions. Tasar, with floppy rig points very well. It is a shock however because we came from a Javelin with an iron hard rig.


That could also be happening, we. well me, come from the Alto which also has a nice tight rig with the ability to tension jib and forestay independently and she did point OK as it happened it's just shoreside fiddling I'm blathering about.
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