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    Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 11:17am
Originally posted by 2547

No-one buys on price ... they buy on value.

Thousands of Primart and Matalan customers can't be wrong!
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Originally posted by 2547

Their costs are important but you should price to the market ... the consumer defines the value.

What level of value the consumer attributes to each product will define the price that the seller can demand. 

No-one buys on price ... they buy on value.

I would no necessarily want to be the cheapest of the two either ... price also communicates, we are programmed to believe that highest price is the best quality ... usually it is but not always.

I would expect the D-O to be more expensive because I think it will be a Devoti quality product and as such I would expect to pay a higher price than an RS ... which is more of a volume brand ... 

Audi 'v' Ford perhaps ....

Audi A3 vs VW Golf... except in local motorsport, both would be on the same grid without a time penalty and sense of frustration.  Oddly enough, in non-sporting terms, both have actually increased their value proposition too, enough to bloom cheaper alternatives with the Seat Leon and Skoda Fabia..... but why would dinghydom look to other markets for a source of inspiration?  They're better off not telling potential punters how much each will cost- no doubt to protect themselves from a willy waiving across Ally Pally.
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I reckon the RS will be about £2000 cheaper than the D-Zero. The Vareo is £5790 so surely the Aero will be cheaper than that?

*My own views based on no information whatsoever.


Edited by tgruitt - 27 Feb 14 at 11:37am
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Originally posted by 2547


No-one buys on price ... they buy on value.



I take it you've never traded on eBay then...
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what worries me more is the expectation that people will place an order simply on seeing the boat.  I would be wanting a test sail first at the very least.
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Well I am jolly happy that some are prepared to dive into new classes as they are all just toys really. Having bought a couple of boats on that basis, I would be holding back a bit. 

I am after some neoprene, but interns of committing to a ship I would only be in the market for something thats been around for say 5 years or so  Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by SimonW99

Well I am jolly happy that some are prepared to dive into new classes as they are all just toys really. Having bought a couple of boats on that basis, I would be holding back a bit. 

I am after some neoprene, but interns of committing to a ship I would only be in the market for something thats been around for say 5 years or so  Thumbs Up

I'm not after any neoprene, if I was I wouldn't be looking at the mouse mats and beer can coolers they cut up for dinghy wetsuits (Sandline graciously excluded).  However on the other point I totally agree... but 5 years is leaving it a little long, 18 months has to be optimum.  LOL
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is it using the o'neill technobutter?  That's their fancy branding for yamamoto neoprene... it really is technically superior... just don't expect on your next set of [insert generic sailing company] hiking pants.

I've been windsurfing in a 4mm suit (not O'Neill, but similar material) with a polypro base layer all winter, not got too cold yet either.


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Originally posted by winging it

what worries me more is the expectation that people will place an order simply on seeing the boat.  I would be wanting a test sail first at the very least.



Vanessa, here's how it works with us  Smile   You pay a deposit of £250 for for a shiny new D-Zero at the nice Dinghy Show price and an early delivery, you get to test the boat, if you decide it's not for you you can cancel the order and get a full refund Smile

Just trying to get the thread back on topic folks  Wink
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Originally posted by rodney

Originally posted by winging it

what worries me more is the expectation that people will place an order simply on seeing the boat.  I would be wanting a test sail first at the very least.



Vanessa, here's how it works with us  Smile   You pay a deposit of £250 for for a shiny new D-Zero at the nice Dinghy Show price and an early delivery, you get to test the boat, if you decide it's not for you you can cancel the order and get a full refund Smile

Just trying to get the thread back on topic folks  Wink


That seems fair to me.  Good scheme.
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