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    Posted: 10 Jan 11 at 6:45pm
Always presuming that there were some handy sailors in the earlier-starting classes such as Toppers, Fevas and Laser 4.7's, given that the wind dropped considerably during the race, can anybody please explain how they will ever win?
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Always presuming that there were some handy sailors in the earlier-starting classes such as Toppers, Fevas and Laser 4.7's, given that the wind dropped considerably during the race, can anybody please explain how they will ever win?
I think these were sailed by juniors. It's probably pretty unlikely they're going to stand much chance against the best adults. In fact the 4.7s were given a generous boost by starting only 9 minutes after the Toppers (instead of 13 ?)  and, when I was watching a short while after their start, the 2 leading 4.7s were in the lead, following the RIB showing them round - but then for some reason they didn't follow the RIB ! By the time they'd realised their mistake they were overtaken by various boats with many others snapping at their heels. Oh dear! The problems of inexperience?
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Originally posted by asterix

Originally posted by Xpletive

 
QuestionBe interesting to learn which PY they were using - the original RYA PY Number 1032 or the 3000 Class Association's recommended PN for Vandercraft-hulled boats of 1007 Question
 
(Well done to everyone)
 
the 3000 had a start time of 30 which implies a PY of 1030 doesn't it?
 
So.... the Vandercraft hulled 3000 entry, which came 3rd, raced off a PY handicap of 1030, the Laser 3000 PY (25kg heavier), despite the 3000 Class Association recommending 1007 for open events? Oh dear...............could be worse, there could have been a L3000 racing as well.....
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Originally posted by marksey

We were the only 49er there and I don’t remember seeing any slow boats on the launch ramp, (apart from a rs400 left blocking access with no sails up) in fact by the time I got to the start line all other starts had been set off and we were up next, I did however witness a lot of rs800's and int14's start late.

 

Common sense would denote that the slower boats hit the water 15-20 mins earlier giving the faster boats a chance to launch in time for the start.

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Sorry, phrased badly, but if you insert generic fast boat barging in over generic slower one you'll get my drift.
 
The wind direction didn't help, but maybe as i hinted earlier if people are marshalled it would run  much more smoothly. for example and announement at - say - 12:05 that people in starts 1-10 need to make their way to the slipways now, other dinghies please wait would be helpful.
 
At a venue with beach launching you don't need to do this, but there are only, what, 6 slipways to launch almost 250 boats? It's a miracle and credit to QMSC that it works in a favourable wind direction!!
Sorry, phrased badly, but if you insert generic fast boat barging in over generic slower one you'll get my drift.
 
The wind direction didn't help, but maybe as i hinted earlier if people are marshalled it would run  much more smoothly. for example and announement at - say - 12:05 that people in starts 1-10 need to make their way to the slipways now, other dinghies please wait would be helpful.
 
At a venue with beach launching you don't need to do this, but there are only, what, 6 slipways to launch almost 250 boats? It's a miracle and credit to QMSC that it works in a favourable wind direction!!
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Originally posted by Xpletive

Originally posted by asterix

Originally posted by Xpletive

 
QuestionBe interesting to learn which PY they were using - the original RYA PY Number 1032 or the 3000 Class Association's recommended PN for Vandercraft-hulled boats of 1007 Question
 
(Well done to everyone)
 
the 3000 had a start time of 30 which implies a PY of 1030 doesn't it?
 
So.... the Vandercraft hulled 3000 entry, which came 3rd, raced off a PY handicap of 1030, the Laser 3000 PY (25kg heavier), despite the 3000 Class Association recommending 1007 for open events? Oh dear...............could be worse, there could have been a L3000 racing as well.....
yup - well very nearly right - the Laser 3000 sailed off 1034 - see MikeBz's post above (my analysis was woefully incompetent even if nearly right by accident)

Edited by asterix - 10 Jan 11 at 9:58pm
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Originally posted by JimC

No arguments with Mike's sums, but its usual to se the slowest boat as your base point for start time, simply because that's the one that defines the length of the race.


Or... Draw up your list of handicaps, decide when you want the slowest boat to start and when you want the race to end, and use those numbers to calculate the remaing start times. That's how we do ours, although we round to 15s intervals not 1min - which means that in my 300 I usually get as close as 15s to the Merlins (at the start, then watch them sail away).

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Originally posted by asterix

Originally posted by Xpletive

Originally posted by asterix

Originally posted by Xpletive

 
QuestionBe interesting to learn which PY they were using - the original RYA PY Number 1032 or the 3000 Class Association's recommended PN for Vandercraft-hulled boats of 1007 Question
 
(Well done to everyone)
 
the 3000 had a start time of 30 which implies a PY of 1030 doesn't it?
 
So.... the Vandercraft hulled 3000 entry, which came 3rd, raced off a PY handicap of 1030, the Laser 3000 PY (25kg heavier), despite the 3000 Class Association recommending 1007 for open events? Oh dear...............could be worse, there could have been a L3000 racing as well.....
yup - well very nearly right - the Laser 3000 sailed off 1034 - see MikeBz's post above (my analysis was woefully incompetent even if nearly right by accident)
 
Is anyone able to work out what the V3000's position would have been if it had been on the 1007 handicap figure?
 
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You wont be able to as its a pursuit, so i doubt times were taken
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