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fleaberto 
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 Topic: Rooster Project XPosted: 04 Feb 10 at 10:03am |
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I know, that's why i said that i can envisage various 'packages' for the boat. Lets face it, £2500 is bound to be 'base' model - to get new sailors on board so to speak. Schools, parents and the like. 'Race-Spec' add a few more bits....'Race-Pro' even more bits.......3 different rig sizes and voila, a (relatively) cheap boat - particularly for starters - all with the ability to 'customize' to our own needs. Simple for the beginners, slightly more complex for club racers, even more advanced for hardened 'National' level helms. Me - 6ft, 11st ..... i'd love the ability to depower on the move, but i guess it complicates things with respect to 'class' racing having that flexibility? Plus the fact that it offers an outlet for the bits via Rooster.....all the rigs, all the clothing, all the 'extras', the 'rooster' name etc.....I truly can't envisage a 'One-size-fits-all' with this one. With experimental testing during the course of the next year, i'm sure that different 'levels' can be found. Less a 'Laser for the 21st Century' more a modern, slightly bigger but less complex Europe? I dunno, either way it's all pretty intruiging & to follow it develop right from the start is pretty fascinating to be honest. No 'demands' from me.....i thinks MrC knows what he's looking to arrive at & there's bound to be lots of experiments that do & don't work along the way in order to get there, I follow with extreme interest (and a deposit burning a whole in my pocket!!
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didlydon
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Posted: 04 Feb 10 at 11:43am |
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So..... Steve, are we gonna see one at the dinghy show?
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tickler
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Posted: 04 Feb 10 at 12:06pm |
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By the way, a new mast for a C2 Byte is £900, a full rig £1400. That is supposed to be "competitively" priced. A new boat complete is £3652 so you have to shave £1100 off that to arrive at project x price mmmmm....Also a well known, now retired, boatbuilder told me that he could build, at a push, 3 boats a month on his own. That is a turnover of about £12000 a year and a profit of say, £50,000? I do not see much margin in project x but we will see.
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hum3
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Posted: 04 Feb 10 at 12:24pm |
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Pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap! I think the interesting bit is seeing how he creates the first part of that equation... |
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alstorer
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Posted: 04 Feb 10 at 12:57pm |
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The scales that Steve has previously talked of with regards production should, of themselves, reduce build costs and also reduce man-hours per boat build time. It's almost useless comparing the costs and time of a one-man boat building operation versus near production line processes.
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Posted: 04 Feb 10 at 1:09pm |
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Yes, but how is he going to build them so quickly? On an automated line? Lots of people? Either way, I would imagine it is going to take a hefty investment - I doubt such a facility is currently sitting idle.
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Merlinboy
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Posted: 04 Feb 10 at 1:54pm |
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Economy's of scale!
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Posted: 04 Feb 10 at 2:01pm |
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There's lots of Lasers built, but they still sell for more than £2.5k. Heck, I suspect a Topper costs that much!
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bustinben
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Posted: 04 Feb 10 at 2:21pm |
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That's because they exploit their monopoly ;)
A laser sail seriously should not cost 500 notes, for example... |
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tickler
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Posted: 04 Feb 10 at 4:41pm |
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For many years I made handmade kitchens. At best employing 7 men. At worst on my own. I never made much money out of the 7 men but kept all the money when working alone. IKEA sell kitchens which are probably "untouched by human hand". Cheap and exellent quality, I have one myself! It seems to me that there are two options. Bash out boats alone in a garden shed or invest millions and become the IKEA of boatbuilding. Cottage industry never makes money.
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