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    Posted: 22 Apr 20 at 8:30am
Originally posted by polc1410

 But how would you draw a line? 

I'd draw the line where the government does. 

Exercise alone or with member of your own family
Keep 2m away from those outside your household.
Stay local. 

In practice this would mean limited or no parking. 
No rescue cover; because you can't expect members who aren't exercising to travel
No organised racing; because you can't confine people to a committee boat or race box.
No clubhouse because people may congregate and break 2m rule

If there was concern that the club would be flooded with sailors, then I'd run 'rota' of some sort for the first few weeks or so. Have 50 half day slots when people could put their name down to sail. The monitor. You could do it by which area of the boat park people are in, so you don't have people rigging up on top of each other. 

Originally posted by ttc546

 
1 person goes sailing and then everyone goes sailing
1 person goes golfing, and then everyone goes golfing

And before you know it, hundreds of people are travelling and doing activities because 1 person believed that they could and wouldnt cause a danger. Its not about whether you could do it safetly or not, its the snowball affect that would happen.
Would it though? National Parks have managed by controlling car parks and limiting space.  

The most effective way of stopping prolonged journeys or unnecessary travel is having police monitor trunk roads and popular routes to the area, just as they have done for national parks. 

The weekend before full lockdown we had essentially the above rules. And the harbour wasn't packed, there were a dozen boats out. With the addition of not being able to sail with those outside your household I think it would be less. 

A bigger problem is beach (like west witherings). But again car parking and checkpoints on trunk roads are the answer to that over crowding. 


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Originally posted by Paramedic

 
Overnight ordinary people have fallen under the dire judgement of others who know absolutely nothing about them. We have people calling the police because they don't think their next door neighbour should be going to work. They don't think that guy across the road should be talking to the lady with her children walking past his gate. The group of three housemates walking round the park are too close.....

People are running scared, thats all. And rightly so. My friends dad died of the virus at the weekend. You become much more aware of things when its someone you know ... (looking at you iGRF....)

Originally posted by H2

I live in Cheltenham. Before C19 people would nearly always look each other in the eye and say hi as they walked past each other like they do in most places outside of London (!). Now I have noticed that people will not look you in the eye or acknowledge your existence as you cross paths. Why is that? I think this is the micro-embodiment of what Paramedic is talking about and have found it very weird.

Quite the opposite here. People give wide berths, smile and say Thankyou. Never happened before :-)
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The constant war rhetoric in our socio-political lives is coming home to roost..... previously we had remainers and leavers as the 'others'.  Now everyone outside of our domiciled family unit is an 'other'... a potential host to a silent killer called Covid_19, or whatever next year's strain will be called.  It's akin to a dystopian teen movie or quite literally, a zombie apocalypse early chapter.

I swing from 'it'll be over soon, hang fire and watch netflix' to 'this sh*t's straight out of the shock and awe playbook'.  It stinks of human bad action, Christ knows who the real perps were, but we'll never really know and the internet is full of conspiracists already.

Gaia Theory would be a nicer explanation - gives us all space to breath and learn from the experience together as one species - but it doesn't sell newspapers, or increasingly, ad revenue on click bait.

I dunno, but in 40+ years, this seems to be the weirdest reset I've seen the world take.
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I live in Cheltenham. Before C19 people would nearly always look each other in the eye and say hi as they walked past each other like they do in most places outside of London (!). Now I have noticed that people will not look you in the eye or acknowledge your existence as you cross paths. Why is that? I think this is the micro-embodiment of what Paramedic is talking about and have found it very weird.
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Originally posted by NicolaJayne

as opposed to tone-deaf, bigoted hectoring masquerading  as banter ? 

get in the bin you pathetic sad old man 

The trouble is, he's right.

Overnight ordinary people have fallen under the dire judgement of others who know absolutely nothing about them. We have people calling the police because they don't think their next door neighbour should be going to work. They don't think that guy across the road should be talking to the lady with her children walking past his gate. The group of three housemates walking round the park are too close.....

The list goes on. There was a video on the TV of the police talking to a man for playing football with his children in his own front garden. A high up police chief in the north (I think it was Yorkshire but I could be wrong) was on TV telling people if they couldn't behave he would have officers in shops checking people's shopping, a statement that was retracted very quickly.

These are isolated incidents by overzealous busybodies, but you begin to understand how the secret police forces of 30' and Cold War dictatorships conducted their business. 

I don't like what I see. It isn't the Government that bothers me, they are doing the best that they can. Certain sections of the population really worry me. This crisis is bringing out the worst in them.
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as opposed to tone-deaf, bigoted hectoring masquerading  as banter ? 

get in the bin you pathetic sad old man 
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Like I said.. santimony luxuriating in authoritarian repression.
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Unfortunately people still think it's flu.
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Originally posted by iGRF

I'm sorry, but in the thirty odd years of organised inshore regatta sailing, I cannot recall a single incident where the club or organising body has had to call in external help from inshore RNLI or coastguard, our sport has an excellent record of looking after its own.


Well I can think of at least two. The last time was within the last 10 years in N.Ireland and resulted in a major incident being declared.

But how would you draw a line? Racing in a club event is OK, but dinghy cruising, yachting etc isn't?

What about changing facilities at clubs? Rarely designed to distance.

What about safety boats - generally accepted should be double manned. Can you 'staff' them with households every time? And if the do rescue someone they are now <2m. Probably a reasonable risk in the consequence, butan avoidable one.

How many people live within walking distance of a club.



The big question in my mind is wether the cure is becoming worse than the threat, and personally I'd have to say it is. I question why it's fine to be permitted to line up in a supermarket queue, yet not be able to queue to round a mark in a boat that is at least 2 mtrs both ways. Or kite with 25 metre lines, or windsurf, or sup, I really can't and would suggest instead of chatting about it we should probably be lobbying our governing body to do something about it.

Supermarket is because you need food to survive.

2m at a mark. So a precession race? Why

What about crewed non household boats.

I assume youve had no direct contact with the effect of the virus rather than the lockdown. I have colleagues who may not survive. Colleagues who likely got the virus treating people with the virus.. ever extra patient is an extra potential exposure for those patients.

I have patients who are stopping their potentially life saving treatment because they think it's too dangerous to continue. Some of those will die as a result.

But you carry on with your nanny state rate
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Originally posted by turnturtle

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sticking my bike in the back of the car, driving out of the city (15 mins)

AIUI - that would not comply with UK rules would it?  Confused

My examples comply with the guidelines. You can drive to exercise provided that you spend significantly longer exercising than you do driving there.

I get that some us will have to agree to disagree, but I do wish some people would try to empathise with those of us who live in cities where any remotely green space within walking distance is actually busier than it would be under normal circumstances (Nobody seems to have noticed this yet). When this is over I think they should try living in a tower block for an indefinite period.

mate - I am more than empathising from the third floor of our city centre apartment where the only times I've got out in the past 5 weeks was to the supermarket - 150m down the road.  My kids haven't been outside other to clap for solidarity from a juliet balcony - we're not quite sure what we're clapping for bow, but it kinda feels that someone will report us if we don't.

Rolling the bike out of the garage would be most welcome now - I can only dream of getting back on the water.  Obviously I'm grumbling about it, but from where I am, the UK has it pretty easy.... seems a shame to push it and lose what privileges you do have left.

I accept I might feel differently if we moved back
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