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    Posted: 08 Dec 08 at 10:07pm
Originally posted by timeintheboat


Originally posted by RS400atC

Is there a market for a 'fast out of the box', off the
shelf, economy Fireball or Merlin?

MRX what a cracking looking
boat - a pity they got submerged in the tidal wave of asymmetrics.


The MRX? I'd much prefer a merlin than the MRX. It looks much much
better than its one design spin off.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

Is there a market for a 'fast out of the box', off the shelf, economy Fireball or Merlin?



MRX what a cracking looking boat - a pity they got submerged in the tidal wave of asymmetrics.
Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else
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Well I never did actually find out, we didn't actually ever go to a class event
in it, a shame it would have been interesting to see how we might have
fared, but whatever, it was never going to be about class racing, we've both
been there and got that particular T shirt and we certainly wouldn't want
another with 'Fatwaist' written on it.
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But as you found out GRF, Its a bit of a kids fleet.
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Well there is a fast out of the box economy Fireball, it's called an RS500.

And there's a bit of a decent fleet now.
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Originally posted by Chas int505

The problem you will find (if you come looking) to launch anything new in the traditional F/ball; 505; FD terrritory is simply that the reason that these designs sail as well as they do, is down to decades of development.

While most people love the hull designs of the traditional classes (me included), the real design feature that allows an overpowered boat to perform across the wind range is the rig.

To recreate that type of boat, with that type of hull (to allow for a broader weight range of crews) essentially any smod will need to copy the complexity of rig.  Which will cost....well about what the trad classes cost already...!

At that point, why not buy something that already has a few decades of development in it..?

Time to go full circle? Is there a market for a 'fast out of the box', off the shelf, economy Fireball or Merlin? (or any other established design that gets 60+ boats at the nationals....) The most valuable feature of a racing boat is a fleet to sail it in, that gives you enjoyable racing.
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Originally posted by Chew my RS

GRF - there's a thread in Sailing Anarchy with a boat abit like that.  The thread title is something like 'The Need for
Speed - A Retrospective'.  Its got a canting windsurfer rig and trapeze.



Found it thanks

Really interesting, someone obviously thinking along the same lines, not sure I'd go with a bow rudder, but the rest shows one method of
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The problem you will find (if you come looking) to launch anything new in the traditional F/ball; 505; FD terrritory is simply that the reason that these designs sail as well as they do, is down to decades of development.

While most people love the hull designs of the traditional classes (me included), the real design feature that allows an overpowered boat to perform across the wind range is the rig.

To recreate that type of boat, with that type of hull (to allow for a broader weight range of crews) essentially any smod will need to copy the complexity of rig.  Which will cost....well about what the trad classes cost already...!

At that point, why not buy something that already has a few decades of development in it..?
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by RS400atC

How about a stoodent-proof team racing boat? that would be a design challenge!

Xenon; they have been given a pretty good thrashing at the Endeavour and come through OK,

Maybe so, but isn't "student proof" a order of magnitude or so more challenging than "survive the endeavour"?

My suspicion is that nothing is student proof; I recall one of our Larks sinking.

I can assure you that there was plenty of contact at the Endeavour when I did it and none of the boats were damaged.

 
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Originally posted by Guest#260

Originally posted by RS400atC

How about a stoodent-proof team racing boat? that would be a design challenge!

Xenon; they have been given a pretty good thrashing at the Endeavour and come through OK,

Maybe so, but isn't "student proof" a order of magnitude or so more challenging than "survive the endeavour"?
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