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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Hey Simon, while there's little doubt the cats fly around a course,
don't be so sure they're much faster downwind than a big skiff.
It's hard to say without seeing a T up against a big skiff, which I haven't done for a while, but compared to a board they both seem similar in pace. A cat sailor I know (a top skipper in Taipan 4.9s, arguably the fastest 16' cat around, and about 5th in the F 18 worlds as crew) reckons a Cherub can beat a Taipan downwind in a breeze. A couple of times when I've been cat racing I've taken the board out before or during races. It's much easier to stay with the cats than it is to stay with the 16' skiffs down the bay. Of course, the speed of a board v a boat varies enormously depending whether we're powered up or not. In about 10 knots, the 16' skiffs seem similar upwind to the IMCO board, but the IMCO board is slower upwind than a Nacra 14 sq (baby Inter 17) sailed by a world A Class champs runner-up. Downwind, the board is slightly quicker than the Nacra, way slower than the 16' skiff. And the 16 is only about as fast as a 14' skiff. In a good hard breeze, even my old slalom board can blow away a good A Class downwind (and when I say "good", I'm talking about an A fleet that attracts guys like 3 time world A champ and current F18 world champ) yet in the downwind race on the bay, FW boards are similar in pace to an 18' skiff. The FW boards would blow my slalom board off the water on a square run. Many years ago, the Tornadoes (some with kites) raced the 18s and a C Class cat. The first T was just 17 seconds ahead of the first 18. Sure, the Ts have improved since then, but so did the 18s. In fact the top 18's chaseboat (IIRC) measured the 18's speed down the squares as faster than the C C lass (Victoria 150, the world's best at the time). OTOH, I do know T sailors who reckon they kill 18s. Then again, those same T sailors reckon their yardstick with the new rig should only be 3 points faster than the "classic" rig; so either they're exxagerating the speed improvement or they're talking B.S. to the yardstick guys. I'm not saying the cats don't fly upwind, but have you lined up against a good 49er or 18 downwind? You may be surprised. And of course, when it gets to real smallboat speed nothing comes close to a board (apart from YPE which is strictly a flat-water one way machine, which is only fractionally quicker than a board that can sail both ways and in rough water). |
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Scooby_simon ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2415 |
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If you think those skif's are fast, take a look at this : http://www.wallen.se/files/wallen2.mpg (about 2 minutse long so Broadband only) I've also been looking for about 20 seconds of another SWE boat with the kite up that come very close to a chase boat and then just zooms away...Now that IS quick
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Phil eltringham ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105 |
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watching that all i could think of was blur's song 2
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FLAT IS FAST!
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Brian ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Sep 04 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 503 |
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Phil eltringham ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105 |
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Anyone up for making the 'ultimate' planing cat? Strap a couple of 49er hulls together, rig off that new Jo Richards 30 footer, hey presto!! overpowered in 5 knots, just like the stuff on lake geneva.
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FLAT IS FAST!
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Granite ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 May 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 476 |
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Most of the Cats I have sailed generaly feel bit less lively than skiff type boats thanks to the phenominal weight of most Cats. put that together with the good directional stability giving slow direction changes and while they may go faster than dinghys they feel slower. But the same goes for Skiffs a Cherub feels livelier than a I14 which feels livelier than a 18 footer.
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redback ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Tunbridge Wells Online Status: Offline Posts: 1502 |
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I find the inertia of a aluminium mast significant compared with carbon, and I'm talking of masts of only 7.5m, but the weight of the mast is significant and limits the rapidity with which I can round up onto a beat from a fast reach. However it also works in my favour when bearing away in a sudden gust since by driving the hull under the mast it counters the heeling force of the gust. Does that make sense I could explain in more depth but it would take time?
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Doctor Clifford ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: Scotland Online Status: Offline Posts: 243 |
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i don't think this is strictly true. a big skiff may be 18 foot wide, but you are nine feet from turning point. On a Tornado you are ten feet away, and on most cats 8 feet. they are livelier due to the short waterline length when hammering along (usually foil to foil with bow out) whereas a cat has the whole hull length in the water making it less responsive |
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sailor girl ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Jun 04 Location: Spain Online Status: Offline Posts: 1031 |
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hahaha!!! be nice!!
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hurricane ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1047 |
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what those moths are nothing compared to a tornado sport u get alot higher than 6 foot and are going alot quicker than any dinghy could ever go!!! so if you stuff it in then it is bound to hurt and how a helmet can protect u i dont know!!! wimp Edited by hurricane |
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