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    Posted: 29 May 12 at 2:55pm
You're one step ahead... Jim and Andy are exactly who I will be speaking too, early next year, if the testing goes alright.
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Originally posted by pondmonkey



Originally posted by Ruscoe

 The perception however is its much quicker


Hence it adds value and psychological advantage.  
You know I'm in the 'one less crap tack' camp, but I wouldn't ignore the technology when it's on offer, assuming somehow it's reserved for elite sailors.  It's free choice and if I worried about all the gear and no idea stereotype, I wouldn't do anything.  
FWIW- I haven't bought a North Sail on moral grounds for quite some time:



Whilst I applaud your concern over employee health with regard to a situation some 20 years ago. I hope you apply this moral stance to more than just sails. Nike trainers for instance LINK. The T Shirt you are wearing LINK. The flowers for the misses LINK. Kentucky Fired Chicken LINK etc... etc... etc...



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Originally posted by jack sparrow


I hope you apply this moral stance to more than just sails.


No I don't, and I'm no eco-warrior.  The irony of reading Naomi Klein at a £2k per week holiday resort several thousand miles away wasn't lost on me either.  But if I have a choice, then I may factor ecological and social aspects into my buying decisions around non-essentials or non-everyday life products- by far and away my biggest non-essential spend is sailing related.    

Back on topic... as for dinghy sailmakers, well I guess if I can, then I try and support domestic producers, especially guys who have provided excellent service in the past.  If they are innovating too, well then I'd give them the time of day to explore the benefits.


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Originally posted by pondmonkey

Originally posted by Ruscoe

 The perception however is its much quicker


Hence it adds value and psychological advantage.  

You know I'm in the 'one less crap tack' camp, but I wouldn't ignore the technology when it's on offer, assuming somehow it's reserved for elite sailors.  It's free choice and if I worried about all the gear and no idea stereotype, I wouldn't do anything.  

FWIW- I haven't bought a North Sail on moral grounds for quite some time:


You will struggle to buy a sail if you are a dinghy sailor under the pretences. The sails in the photo above are manufactured in china as are quite alot of dinghy/one design sails especially if you are in a large established class with a lot of regular purchasers. Not that the cheapness off production is passed onto us the end consumer.....
Look at the sail less fibres, less seams, less labour. higher cost?



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I'm fully aware of where Hyde one-design sails are produced, I have no problem buying them if they are part of a class package.  I have no idea if they have a 'better' or 'worse' CSR policy than Norths, but the chances are I'd only ever buy Hydes if I had to for class rules, or they came with a boat.

However if I choose a class or type of sailing that offers some choice, then I will simply exercise that consumer right to factor in other considerations  e.g. customer service, support for home production, social/ethical policies etc.  

But don't get me wrong- cost, ease of use, durability and performance are still key fundamental factors!


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Theres one thing i can't gey my head around with the 3dl/d4 sails. They cost twice as much, but last two years. Wouldn't you rather have two new sails?

 
I would.
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someone I talked to recently said that they could see the point of them on yachts sails but he thought that they were a waste of time on a dinghy as the sails don't normally get that unstable on a smaller plan. Don't know if that is relevant or not as I don't know what I am talking about
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The 3dl sails surely cannot catch on until they are sensibly priced as compared to convetional laminate sails. A group at my club have just bought five P & B laminate sails for Solos. Compared to other makers,  they look really well made (in Northampton). More importantly, they are really performing well at our club and, I see, on the open circuit. They were much cheaper than the Asian built laminate Norths. Good luck to HD Sails. Jim Hunt has a great rep. Still not sure about Aeroweb though (are they calling it that?). I might consider one of their standard laminate sails.  
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I understood the benefit was that 3DL should last longer. As to cost the North Fireball 3DL is 25% more than the standard laminate (rather than the 100% stated by other posters). I  would also expect less labour to make 3DL but the cost is to cover the tooling cost.
Would I buy 3DL, probably not as they are so new that there is no proof yet that they will last 25% longer to justify the cost.
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Isnt aeroweb different?? That seems to be fibres stuck onto the laminate,wheras 3DL has the fibres within the laminate.
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