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RS400atC 
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 Topic: Match Racing in Handicap fleetsPosted: 27 Feb 12 at 1:41pm |
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This has been done to death.
You can match race another boat, provided your intention is to improve your place in the race, series or regatta. |
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rogue
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Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 1:56pm |
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agreed
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Rupert
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Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 2:08pm |
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So it would be fair for, say, a Phantom, which has qualified for a club race series, to sail a Mirror, which needed a result to qualify, and a good result to overtake the Phantom in the standings, off the course?
The phantom would be fast enough to sail round and round the Mirror, and would be able to catch up to it whatever happens, and attack it again and again, and if no rules are broken by the Phantom, then there is nothing theMirror can do? In fact, as the Mirror is unlikely to get any form of redress, it wouldn't matter if the Phantom lost a (discardable) protest anyway - the damage has been done. Mirror and Phantom are used just as 2 examples of boats of differing speeds, not because I think either class is more likely than any other to be involved in such things. |
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r2d2
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Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 2:16pm |
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you can but I'm not sure you should Rupert makes a good point (although I don't know why he thinks those big burly phantom boys would do that (to what would probably be a timid youth team in a mirror) more than anyone else (only kidding!) rule 2 does exist, so the current rule already include fair play and sportsmanship - it is then just a matter of judgement about what is reasonable
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rogue
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Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 2:33pm |
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you're right, I wouldn't... but that's not to say I shouldn't. If I'm one of those ultra competitive types (btw - I'm not), then it's not wrong- it's just the way I am and sailing against me would mean that my competitors could use that to their advantage also. I know I've certainly psyched out faster boats into covering me before... only to crawl across the line 2 seconds behind them and beat them on handicap.
I've also had the cards turned racing a 100 against Albacores and Lasers... no point getting in tacking duel with them, you'll lose and lose badly! Edited by rogue - 27 Feb 12 at 2:34pm |
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Little Monster
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Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 2:51pm |
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The discussion of match racing a slower boat within the same race, such
as a handicap or pursuit, is clear that its just unfortunate for the slower
boat. I have done it and had it done to, its just part of racing. However the debate following the weekend is slightly different in that
the Fireball was not competing on the same start as the slower phantom. They
started their race and waited 5 mins above the line for the phantom to
start. In normal circumstances I would see that as them being in different races and therefore breach sportsmanship. As the event was the Draycote Dash does the phantom have grounds against
sportsmanship for the Dash or as its also the Sailjuice does that mean that its ok for them to interfere?? Either way I find it very rewarding that they messed up and came in 3rd
overall Edited by Little Monster - 27 Feb 12 at 2:54pm |
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r2d2
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Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 2:52pm |
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oh yes keep away from the lasers - thats a true thing!
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rogue
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Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 2:59pm |
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well if they were on separate races (starts) then I personally think this is bang out of order... is it illegal under RRS?
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Phantom Titch
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Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 3:12pm |
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Same series so its OK unders RRS but should it be changed is the question?
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Titch ~:-))
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r2d2
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Posted: 27 Feb 12 at 3:18pm |
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no its not clearly OK under RRS
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