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    Posted: 17 May 11 at 6:19pm
3 man trap on the river in shifty breezes - how many tea-baggings are you going to get from that?! Sounds fun - to watch...
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clearly 3/4 man boats are popular look at the laser SB3
In my opinion the only decent boat to come from laser in the last while the rest seem to have disappeared or been none existent in large numbers
the SB3 isn't the driest boat in strong winds and a choppy sea so surely a 3 man trap skiff can be done and might steal some of the SB3 sailors from the class
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I don't believe the Raters sail with strings on the river. It would scarcely be practical anyway because, certainly when I've sailed at Thames, the wind tends to funnel down the river so you get beats or runs and very short tacks.
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A 3 man fast dinghy might be more popular than a 3 man skiff? And take it further from 18 footer comparisons, and suit British weather better? But really, I think those who have said that getting 2 people together in a dinghy is hard enough - getting 3 people who are able and willing to get out on the trapeze all in the same place at the same time, and willing to make the financial contribution to what would need to be a FD sized boat would be very hard indeed.
 
Sailing a small keelboat to mid to bottom fleet standard just needs the same skill levels as a large family dinghy. The top guys are capable of sailing anything, but need the rest to make a strong fleet. A 3 man trap boat would need everyone to be sh*t hot, which may be the 18 footer's problem.
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Hobie built the 21, 3 man Cat with 2 trapeze wires, park benches mounted either side. I don't think many were sold outside the US.

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The original Bethwaite B18 was pretty much what you're talking about - three people (two on the wire), one rig (18 Foot Skiff #2 flex-tip rig IIRC) and comparatively simple to rig.  The hull was the one that was later developed into the Bethwaite GP18 - not particularly easy to sail but particularly quick!

There's probably boats and moulds still around in Europe and there may have been no huge leaps in design in that bracket, so maybe simply reviving the B18 (with a T foil?) would be the best option.

The most popular three-person skiff type is obviously the 16, but as mentioned earlier they are not particularly quick compared to shorter double-wire boats, rating between the I-14 and the 49er.  And the modern 16 is a slender "displacement" hull so it's not particularly stable, although it certainly doesn't require experts to sail at back-of-the-fleet level.  And of course it's only popular where you have clubs that are happy to arrange sponsorship and pay beer money even for those who struggle to get around the course!



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I actually think the SB3 captures the market really well, else, you are really looking at an 18. Alternatively, find your third person a crew/helm and get two 49ers, 800s, etc. There may be more fun in having two double-handers to race against each other than an obscure tripple hander. As you remove the complexity of an 18, you're going to tend to something along the lines of an SB3 to keep the performance alive and practicality. For what it's worth, I'd quite happily have an SB3, very attractive package and excelent racing. Just don't have enough cash at the moment, but such is life.
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Originally posted by Wee Man

Hobie built the 21, 3 man Cat with 2 trapeze wires, park benches mounted either side. I don't think many were sold outside the US.



We had one at Marconi for a few years, gone now though, was a massive boat and as you say had the park ebnches either side made it more like a cruising cat.
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You're going to need a lot of water to sail such a beast in anyway... so I think the cat idea has some legs but agree, there's isn't enough volume in it to interest one of the big builders, a 3 person dinghy won't reach SB3 sales volumes IMO. 

The cat platform means you could have just one mast that stays up all the time (rather than seperate rigs skiff style) and either reef, or have different sail combo's, to accomodate low/high wind occassions, it will also provide a big enough platform for 3 to sail without crashing into each other, while avoiding the need for wings, bars, seats or whatever which would probably be needed on a monohull although I don't think Oz 16ft's have wings or perhaps didn't once upon a time but do now? There's probably enough power in an F20 rig for 3 people to sail one right now, 2 on wires, 1 on helm hiking.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Barty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 May 11 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Originally posted by Isis

National 18 which is either a single or double trapeze 3-hander and.... neither option seems to be particularly popular.



Well that depends on whether you live near Cork or not.
 
........or South West London, or Moray (Scotland) or on the Isle of Man
 
They are single wire and are complete bandits on handicap in the light stuff!!!
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