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Stefan Lloyd 
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 Topic: Small boats more fun?Posted: 30 May 05 at 4:19pm |
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Does that mean at opens, the locals give the visitors a surfer-style welcome and beat them up?
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redback
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Posted: 30 May 05 at 11:52am |
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Hi m_liddell, it sounds like you need to change club not class. You wouldn't find much of what you find unpleasant at clubs like Bough Beech or Wilsonian. As for the comment about kite surfing and boards - well I can umderstand the comment and you really should try and master those sports but for me going upwind is the most demanding and hence rewarding sailing you can do. Hence I sail a Laser4000 - fast upwind - and faster still downwind so I can quickly get back to leeward to go upwind all over again. |
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James Bell
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Posted: 29 May 05 at 9:38pm |
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Smaller boats can definately be a lot of fun. Even though most of the
time I sail a Laser 4000 these days, I still love taking my Laser 2 out
for a blast every so often, especially when it's blowing old boots.
The L2 is super lightweight and responsive and is absolutley fabulous when 3-sail reaching. It definatley has that go-kart like quality. The L2 embodies many of the qualities which I think make a great boat - it's light, it's responsive, it's low maintenance, it's quick to rig and it's also surprisingly challenging to sail. Smaller boats like the Laser and L2 also respond better to body kinetics than larger boats. |
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Jack Sparrow
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Posted: 29 May 05 at 12:42pm |
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Sounds like you should come Cherubbing.... we're the 'Surf Culture of the
sailing world.'  Year before lasts nationals we had our fav Dub Break
Beat DJ playing off the Clubs verander whilst we all rigged up... no shouting here, well only if you think the other boat hasn't seen you cos you are going so fast! We have an open meeting at Weston in a couple of weeks time I'm sure we can arrange a test sail. Look on the web site; http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/chframe.php |
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sailor.jon
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Posted: 29 May 05 at 9:47am |
when we race at our club everyone is really friendly,there hasn't been a protest for absolute years, everyone does there best to help each other out, thats what it's all about having friendly compotition, if theres ever an inncident its sorted out by buying them a pint afterwards |
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Stefan Lloyd
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Posted: 29 May 05 at 6:11am |
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If you look at the bigger picture of sailing, all dinghies are small boats. Are dinghies more fun than keelboats? You might give a different answer at 20 and 50. I don't understand why anyone who "just wants to go fast" sails dinghies. Cats, windsurfers or kite-boards would be the way to go for that. Dinghies seem a bit pointless if you don't race them and you won't really be "joining a class" unless you race.
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m_liddell
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Posted: 29 May 05 at 12:05am |
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Did a couple of seasons club racing in an Enterprise back in the day and also a few races in a 29er. Racing really seems to bring out the worst in people and I've found even at local club level, people are needlessly hostile on the water. We had one guy who came mid fleet in the series forcing a note put on the bottom of the published results about a 2 boat situation which didn't even change his position! This is just Sunday morning club racing! We have also had people come in on port yelling starboard so we had to avoid a collision, and so miss the mark. These were experianced sailors, they knew they were on port! Another situation I've seen on the water was a guy infringe at the windward mark 1st time round. Instead of doing his circles he just sailed in and packed up his boat. The weather was perfect, so even if he didn't want to continue he could have just free sailed instead. On the other hand I've had some really enjoyable informal races against some of my mates in lasers. Great fun. We allowed kinetics and hitting marks too. Some people need to leave the ego at home, chill out a bit and try and have fun instead of trying to prove a point. Sailing already has an image problem, the amount of red tape/cost to just join some clubs on the south coast is crazy. For these reasons I have avoided racing and just changed class when I can manage the boat OK in a blow, then move on to a more difficult boat. Edited by m_liddell |
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redback
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Posted: 28 May 05 at 11:42pm |
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Smaller means more responsive. I cannot understand someone who doesn't want to race. It's all relatively easy when you can gybe when you want but try doiong it under pressure - that is the challenge. Being close to other boats and being forced to try and get that last fraction out of the boat and yourself is exilerating - you should try it again - you'll never get really good at sailing unless you race.
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Granite
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Posted: 28 May 05 at 6:50pm |
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Smaller Lighter boats are definatly more fun.
The Europe is more fun than the laser, the 14 is more fun than the RS800 If racing is not your thing then there is no real point in spending loads on a new top of the line 14, just stick with your converted one and look at geting an early post 96 rules boat once you have got the hang of the converted boat. cutting the boat up and modyfying it is half the fun I built a T=foil rudder in my garden shed. If you get into the whole boat modifying thing then the Cherub is the class to be in and they are short light bouncy and fun. |
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ssailor
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Posted: 28 May 05 at 12:25pm |
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Being in almost exactly the same situation as you m_liddell, including
having a moddified 14!! i personaly feel that when i used to race a
laser, it was exhilirating offwind whilst bein surrounded by lots of
other lasers, but it doesnt compare to the pure trouser stainin speed
of the 14!
As for a boat with self tacker, you could try some mods of your own - try lookin at your clubs compund for unpaid boats if there is one, and talk to the people in control of it to see if you can scavenge anything off them! On our 14 we managed to fit a self tacker, by using the track from an old dart, and for the hydrofoils we got some centre board style wings (which we then used as a mould for our current ones) of some windsurfers that were about to be destroyed. Both me and my mate who sails with me in the 14, have been working with fibreglass, carbon fibre and kevlar for a while now, and the best tip is to get some books on it, and teach yourself! You can get epoxy from most chandlers, and the composite materials are relatively cheap! - the best example is our kevlar tillers on our 14 (also found on 18ft skiffs) - we made them for about 10 pound per tiller! |
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Any one in need of quality carbon fibre work (tillers etc) at decent prices!
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