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    Posted: 25 May 05 at 4:56pm

Yeh do you have one of those jybing strap things, on the boom (dont knwo bout 400s but all the 200 have them) try leaning the to leeward and then when u pull it bk up u give a jerk on the strap and it pops the batten. Also on the omega to pop the top batten we had to pull downwards on the boom slightly to help pop the batten. Hope this helps.

Straight leg hiking  thought id just mention that again

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The reason for the top batten not popping can also be as a result of a lack of leech tension, especailly a problem in light winds, going downwind.  To solve this pull on a little kicker, this tightens the leech so there is something for the batten to work against so it can pop, then resease the kicker tension after it has gone.  this means that you do not have to roll the boat as vilently in light winds which can be counter productive.  All you have to rememebr is to release the kicker again after the manoeuver.  Also rememebr the batten is adjustable, many people never change their batten tensions, it can make a significant difference in performance if you get it right/wrong for the conditions. 

Sailor girl, I'd love to go to Oz for the B14 worlds, problem is the trip is gonna cost about 3 grand per boat, and thats money I dont have at the moment.  So unless I get a great job/win the lottery/big sponsorship deal I'll just be doing the domestic circuit this year.  The sad thing is I'm getting really quick, I've never been able to sail a boat as fast as I can get the B14 to go. 



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Straight Leg Hiking.  There is a danger with straight leg hiking and that is there is a tendency to roll the body forward which means the knees can't bend and that makes hiking easier.  I'm sure this is what buggered my knees when I used to sail the Laser.  I don't think you can do it in the 400 - so you're safe.  Just get your bum out as far as pos and lean back as long as you can.

Poping the Top Batten.  Only a problem in light winds, I presume.  Roll the tack.  Let the boat heel to leeward, by moving inboard.  Let the tiller pull away from you and the boat will turn up into the wind.  Stay where you are until the boat is heeling over on top of you.  Stand up, turn around and sit down on the new windward side.  Pull the boat upright and sheet in at the same time and the battens should pop.  It takes practice to get this right in a 2 man boat since you have to synchronise your movements whereas beginers tend to fight each other's movements and the boat doesn't heel.

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Originally posted by Jamie

If you value your knees in any way straight leg it.

Always use a good hiking posture – bent legs and convex back.

From http://www.optimist.co.za/national_regatta_preparation.htm talking about hiking benches.

I don't think you can take Laser sailors' preference for straight-legged and apply it to every boat. I'm also not certain straight-legged is even physically possible on an RS400. I've done a lot of Merlin sailing, which is a similar design, and the straps would have to be miles up off the floor to allow straight-legged.

 

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[QUOTE=Stefan Lloyd]

 

Always use a good hiking posture – bent legs and convex back.

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Sound like they want you to have the attractive hunch in later life as well.

They maybe right I suppose, but it just doesn't look, sound or feel like a healthy hiking position to me.

The best solution of course is to buy a trapeze harness, and sail a boat with less hiking involved. 

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On the hiking Q. I sail a Laser most of the time (aside from when I am allowed to play in the 'ball). You have to straight leg hike really. I do find that the sports neoprene knee supports are great (especially the ones with the 'hole' over the kneecap to hold it in place).

I have poor knees and they did suffer before I started hiking 'properly' in my Laser and wearing the knee supports..

The choice is easy really..

However I have to say when I sailed a 400 I could not straight leg hike no matter how long the straps were (same in the Scorp...but I do have long legs).

Give me a trapeze any day (and a symetric kite too......)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote headfry Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 05 at 10:55am
"Sorry"  maybe I did not paint the right picture of my hiking question..

Some seem to sit on the side of the boat with 'bums' almost in the water, legs bent, looking like a 'rounded' ball on the side of the boat  Others seem to lay much flatter , extending upper body out over the water .  Oh dear, I fear this is no better than my last poor atempt to describe what I mean... help someone...please, do you know what I am trying to say...................?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote maxim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 05 at 11:04am
well the further out you manage to extend your body,
the greater the turning moment, and the more
effective. But it's really tiring keeping yourself there
for long... So perhaps those you see extending
themselves(?) are just doing it momentarily - to get a
bit of extra speed - or reacting to a gust...
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I know what you mean! Like the Star sailors! having the legs running down the side of the boat!! Id say - give up, hiking hurts!! get a twin trapeze boat or a B14! A nice gentle 'grandads' boat! hehe no offence B14 folk, my brother has one - long standing joke!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stefan Lloyd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 05 at 2:23pm

Originally posted by headfry

Some seem to sit on the side of the boat with 'bums' almost in the water, legs bent, looking like a 'rounded' ball on the side of the boat  Others seem to lay much flatter , extending upper body out over the water.

Bum as far outboard as you can bear and trunk more or less vertical from the waist up is the best technique. Bum on the boat and body semi-horizontal (other than temporarily) knackers your back and also gives you less view of incoming gusts. Better to have hurting legs than a hurt back.

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