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ellistine ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 762 |
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I've now owned our Vago for just over a year. It was our
first boat and to be honest I still think it was a good choice. Here are a few points; It's marketed as both a single handed and double handed boat which to a certain extent it is. However you need to be pretty good to sail it well singlehanded and pretty much need to be able to trapeze otherwise it's a hard hike in all but the lightest of breezes. From a layout point of view it's definitely a compromise when single handing. I'd agree that it's a bit buoyant on the bow (or heavy at the rear) which means in light winds the helm would be sat where the crew would normally be and the crew is generally asleep on the foredeck (I think there's a few classes like this though). Having said that, in the really light winds it's quite competitive. A lot of people say the Vago is quite tippy. At first I thought it was too but like most things you get used to it and now I don't think it's tippy at all. However, the sides do flare out quite a bit and the boat can lean a long way over without actually capsizing. The Vago training weekends run by the class association and Sail Laser are very good. The GBR 49er crew Mark Askwith ran the course last year and was excellent. We sailed both the Laser 2000 and the Vago before purchasing the Vago and to be honest the 2000 just felt a bit dull compared to the Vago. The wife really likes the trapeze so the Vago was always on top. There's not a lot of them about which is a shame when it comes to club racing but the RS200 is almost the same on PY (double handed) and the 2000's are always a boat to be picked off. I'm not convinced the plastic boats are that much more durable than GRP ones. They definitely dent easier and like mentioned before they are more difficult to repair. I'm glad I bought it as a first boat. I've learnt a lot with it and have still got plenty more to learn. I'm sure we'll upgrade to something more 'acceptable' in the next couple of year (RS800 tops my list at the moment) but even then I may keep the Vago in the park for those days when you really shouldn't go out but we're really glad you did! |
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ColPrice2002 ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 25 Nov 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 222 |
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There's quite a few older Solos around (though this time of year is always poor for byuers). They're quite stable (at least - I found it much easier than a laser) and you sit in the boat, not on it. It also doesn't have the nasty habit of looping the mainsheet around the transom corner and tipping over! Best advice is to look at what you like, then ask to try one. SOmetimes that's enoguht to make a decision (either way) - we loved the Merlin at first sail, I didn't fit in a Europe, liked the Solo, found the Comet average etc - but that's my personal view. Colin |
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Adam MR 1137 ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 10 Feb 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 114 |
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We have magno's sailing at our club, and they are ideal for using to train people in take the bumps really well, not too difficult to sail, and plenty of space. They are not bad boats for people to take the next step and learn to race in and improve their skills, but I would not reccomend trying to learn singlehanded sailing in one though, the controls are not ideally led for one person to use all three sails, although I have not tried the rig with just the main, with so much boat under it I am sure it would feel unbalanced and under powered.
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I would avoid trying to get multiple roles (to grow in to) out the boat. Assuming he wants a singlehander, you can do no better than learning in a Laser (Radial if he is 60kg). It'll teach everything he needs to know, and will be easy to sell on (with v low depreciation) when/if he gets bored of it. If the Laser is too uncomfy (and its not THAT bad), then he could try a Comet. RS make the Q'ba now, which is sort of a rotomoulded Laser. It looks okay, but don't think it offers anything your dad would want that a Laser doesn't. I would avoid the racier boats like the Solo, Blaze, Supernova, Byte and Europe for a first boat. Its not that they are that much more difficult, but thay are (generally) more expensive, harder to find (and sell) and have individual foibles (fully battened sails, traveller, wings, fragile construction, tippy etc) that are best avoided for the first 6 months of sailing.
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Webmuppet ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 06 Location: Suffolk Online Status: Offline Posts: 534 |
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Having sailed both the Magno and Vago (and also the Topaz Vibe which hasn't yet been mentioned) - the Vago is probably the best of the three for use as a single hander. I've seen them sailed at Minorca Sailing as a single handed trapeze boat using a long tiller extension borrowed from one of their RS700s. I think that you need a pretty windy day to get it to work in that configuration, I sailed it as a single handed hiking boat on a day with lighter winds and it was OK. The only thing that I found disconcerting is that the Vago's hull seemed to flex a lot (more than other rotomoulded boats that I've sailed).
Another boat which might fit his requirements is the RS Vareo it's got a higher freeboard than some of the boats already suggested, there's a smaller 'fun sail' available for it and the because they've been out for a few years, there's a few for sale at a variety of prices. Admitedly its not rotomoulded but it is very robust boat and might be worth considering. Nigel |
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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Aye. To be honest, a hardy grp boat is no more bother to keep in good nick than a rotomold unless you're a careless idiot or running a sailing school. Plus, they're easier to do minor repairs on in the odd event that it is needed.
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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laser 2000 is a good boat, not plastic but pretty hardwearing!
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hollandsd ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Oct 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 853 |
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but the 3000 is even closer to the water than the topaz....
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Ross ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 02 May 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1163 |
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Topper Magno is even worse. A whole new world of terrible
from my experiences. Laser 3000 is much better than both and can be picked up cheaply. |
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olly_love ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1145 |
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vago is shocking< way to bow high and all crap fittings as normall on a laser,
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