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iwsmithuk 
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 Topic: Hobsons choice or Morton's ForkPosted: 07 May 09 at 11:23am |
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Farr 3.7? See link in dinghy development thread.
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 07 May 09 at 11:41am |
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That's close to the general idea, I don't suppose there are any available
over here, and 370? That's shorter than my Board. And 50Kgs? Why do that, folk want light things to hump up and down beaches, how about 35Kgs hull weight? 16 kgs is heavy enough after three races. Here I go, moaning again, but it is frustrating not being able to get what you want. I wonder how heavy that Solution hull is, that's a lovely shape, could that be rigged to tapeze I wonder, I doubt if there are many kicking around 2nd hand. |
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 07 May 09 at 12:22pm |
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I'd PM Blaze720 for the whereabouts of the kited Blaze. Racks-wise, people manage even B14's at Hythe don't they? If you could time-travel, you could go back and get one of Brian Reeve's Deltas - a 4m Laser-style hull with 8m fully-battened sail and trapeze. An interesting idea at the time, but not Laser, Topper or RS, so doomed. The Solution is not going to be any more entertaining or quick than a Laser, is it, nice-looking though it might be. Fact is, there are no quick singlehanders for lightweights unless you go 'difficult', i.e. Canoe or Moth. Of course, the scow Moth would be great fun, but you won't find one; it would also end up as matchwood on Hythe beach, just like any other 35kg boat. |
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tack'ho
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Posted: 07 May 09 at 12:24pm |
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Why not forget trapeezing and go with the solution, Lovely boat, lifing rudder and C/B. hull weight is I'm afraid......about 50kgs, but will not need you to practice all the hours god sends to get round the course in a breeze. Besides trapping is for people not 'ard enough to hike
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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Matt Jackson
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Posted: 07 May 09 at 12:43pm |
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One of the advantages of a prehistoric rig (as long as it's the right one - carbon or Wavelength alloy) is it's easy to depower. I reckon the Contender is competitive with as little as 11 stone on it once you can tack quickly. Edited by Matt Jackson |
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Laser 203001, Harrier (H+) 36
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 07 May 09 at 12:45pm |
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damn that's still the funniest moment in my dinghy sailing career to date. No, in truth when it's breezey they dont go out, that's what they got the V3000 for and anyway rumour has it it's now dumb and dumbess which is why we haven't seen much of him this year and dumberer is pfaffing about with a 600.. I can see this developing into a bit of self build.
Tbh I don't think my battered knees are going to take much more of it, as it is I can leave a bit of the effort to Jumanji, it's not that often we're both at full stretch. Nearly 40 odd years of various water sport battering and they've held up, 14 months of this hiking nonesense and I"m feeling the pain next day, knees, hips, at this rate I'll be up for a hip replacement. Standing up is definitely better than sat down for your joints, so if I'm going to have to go it alone, I'd like the comfort of the wire when things get a bit stressy. I still haven't quite worked out why you can't have both, either or, which would have been my plan for the Frankenblaze had it been a runner. Edited by G.R.F. |
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hollandsd
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Posted: 07 May 09 at 12:55pm |
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Graham, why dont you buy yourself a cheap blaze and stick a trapeze on it, i will help you modify it for a kite and get you on the water. give me an email at hollandsd@hotmail.co.uk Dan |
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timnoyce
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Posted: 07 May 09 at 12:58pm |
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I did think about this a while ago. You could start somewhere with the Supernova hull. I understand that was derived from your much loved 505 and so should cope with being sailed on the sea.
From there you could add a carbon stick and a funky mainsail as the standard rig is stayed so you have the required shroud points. The cockpit is relatively shallow so would be quite easy to trapeze from. It does have a daggerboard though which I know you don't like, but you can raise it almost fully before it would snag on the boom so should make launching and recovery easy. There are also some bargains to be found second hand, or you could get a fitted hull new as they are foam sandwich now so good and stiff. |
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Posted: 07 May 09 at 3:20pm |
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I don't normally like it when people dis (sp?) other boats, but the Solution seems the most pointless class created in a long time, in my opinion. I think the great difficulty you have GRF, is that some of your requirements are contradictory. lightweight and centreboard. Trapeze but easy(ish). Kite but rocker. Fast but traditional. If you have a class of boat that is sitting down most of the time, but with a trapeze for when it gets windy, the class will get discovered by lightweight sailors who trapeze all the time and don't carry the extra weight. |
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G.R.F.
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Posted: 07 May 09 at 4:04pm |
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So, if the solution had a bigger rig with a trapeze?
Doh it's just round and round in circles here what I'm looking for is a Musto Skiff with a centreboard, kick up rudder and softer sail I guess although a bit better performance in low wind would be a bonus. The closest thing to all that still seems to be a frankenblaze I've spotted an oldish one going for fifteen hundred quid, about the sort of money you dont mind buggering about and taking the butchers knife to. I think I've still got the old pivoting turret from the Asbo, has anyone used spectra as trap wires? If I did it then proved the concept to myself I could order one and at the pace the boat industry seems to work maybe get it for 2012  Edited by G.R.F. |
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