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Laser2000 vs RS Vision |
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5420 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Mar 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 622 |
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yes and they get in every ones way when they are doingit can they go no a seprat cours |
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Philsy ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
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I'm interested in the original question here.
Which is the better choice? The Vision has the advantage of being a lot cheaper, which is appealing. Does anyone have any PY figures for the two boats? Be interesting to have proof as to which is faster. Thanks |
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yellowhammer ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 08 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 270 |
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the 2000s have some excellent class racing events around the country (typically 15-20 boats for Millennium Series events), very close racing at the front of the fleet, but newcomers and young sailors are very welcome they make a real affort to embrace all ... they also have many opens at clubs with growing fleets, as well as 'L2K Play' family cruising events, and several coaching events a year aimed at introducing people to class racing ... their Nationals is a 'family week' again this year a good second hand 2000 will be a better buy than a new Vision, in terms of depreciation visit www.laser2000.lasersailing.com for details (PY etc) |
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Laser 3000 @ Leigh & Lowton SC
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hurricane ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1047 |
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well 3 new 2000's just turned up at my club this weekend all with different owners makes a fleet of 10 or 11 thats got to be one of the biggest fleets! great starter boat me thinks ! |
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lifes to short to sail slow boats!
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Whirlpaul ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
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The 2000 is deffinately a good starter boat, but then so is the vision. Out of the two boats the 2000 is the one to go for if your looking for a good class association with a mixture of a competitive racing circuit and a successful cruising/gaming section. As for the vision it is yet to establish itself as a class.
Also if you consider the second hand price of the 2000, they hold their value for a long time, (4 year old boats can still make up to £5k). |
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Pierre ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1532 |
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We have a fleet of 32 Lasr 2000's at Weir Wood, (including 2 club boats). It's a very good all round boat. Simple as that.
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IanW ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 115 |
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RS has a much better reputation of building boats that last the test of time than Performance Sailcraft. Look at the Laser 4000 compard with the 400 both classes are going through a dip but in 10 years time I would put my money on there being more 400's at a nationals than 4000. I expect in the long term the same will be true of the vision and 2000 laser will stop investing in the 2000 when sales slow where as RS tend to commit to classes even when they struggle.
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Philsy ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
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Umm, interesting feedback - thanks.
I know the Laser 2000 probably has the edge, but it is expensive, and second-hand ones are hard to get. Still be useful to know which is the faster of the two boats. |
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hairymonster ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 26 May 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6 |
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We tried both boats (and the Omega - urgh) at our club/centre and theres just no contest. The Vision was so much faster than the 2000 in all conditions we tried it. Also when we weighed the boats the 2000 was much heavier than it said in the brochure.. only 5 kg less than the bigger plastic Vision. RS say the handicap is 1078. I can believe this and compare this to 1092 for the 2000. Our club members can race, potter and learn. In our opinion the 2000 has had its day.. the Vision does it all better and is cheaper to boot. RS residuals are renowned.. and has anybody else watched the 2000 prices dropping this year. I'm not 2tonner bashing, we've had them and love them. I just think now RS has got stuck in theres only one thing thats gonna happen. I sailed all of them, and the whoever says the Visio feels worse is nuts.. theres nothing in it, they feel the same. We're waiting to swop our boats and get Visions now, but RS says theres a couple of months waiting list. Maybe a K6 one day.. nows THATS a weapon! |
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Philsy ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 344 |
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I've now sailed both boats.
The Vision feels livelier and has a more modern cockpit layout. I enjoyed sailing it but I'd need more than an hour's sail in each to decide which I prefer. The guy from RS also commented on weight - saying that the rotomoulded Visions were more consistant than the 2000s iin weight. The downside, if it is a downside, is that the Vision is not such a good- looking boat, with its one-piece plastic hull and deck, and an ugly black panel on the foredeck. Not a boat you'd take as much pride in owning. That said, it's a lot cheaper than the 2000. I'm still very undecided. ![]() Edited by Philsy |
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