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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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Unfortunately I find myself agreeing with him.....damn! I must be old too!
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the same, but different...
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Ah but G.R.F. It's with observation not old age that brings wisdom.... have you observed all of life's little lessons? In fact I think you have seeming as you choose for things to be interesting and spark a bit of fire rather than be "correct" and polite. I think I was the only person who watched Batman Dark Knight and was on the Joker's side! |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Well lets just say there can't be many left I haven't experienced other than sexual deviancy which was another reason I came here having heard of Cherub sailing.. ![]() |
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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You gotta hand it to the old fella. This place would be a poorer place without his contributions. Almost all Grumpf's posts raise a laugh in me or a 'here we go again'.
Go on, tell us. What's the single hander you're selling? (Can't find any reference to dingies on your website... |
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Kona
Here it is International Class Racing for way less than two grand. All you have to do is learn to do it standing up. But then again lot's of y'all are standing up in a trapezey sort of way anyhow. The main difference then is the Kona has been clocked at 34 kts. |
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winging it ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Mar 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3958 |
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I too have been clocked at 34 kts - I was flying round the forestay at the time!
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gerunamo=] ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 94 |
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g.r.f no way can a kona do 34 knots thats like isonic speed range oh and i find that the compliment each other brilliantly.. sail when the wind isnt too windy and then windsurf when its mental..
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G.R.F. ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 10 Aug 08 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 4028 |
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Well I've done 29.5 knots on one myself and Stacey (guy who works with
me) did 31.5 kts the same day, so I can't see any reason to disbelieve the French who claim 34 kts, it's not actually that fast in windsurf circles and the guy who claimed it is six foot six and weighs 100 kgs.. I reckon that traditional long boards could probably go faster, something like the old Mistral One Design, once the track is pulled right back and you're in the back strap there aint much board in the water. The thing the Kona has is a stepped hull, so its wetted surface is much less than its waterline length once it's up on the plane, but it doesn't have a mast track, the hull step thing sort of does that for it. It's 360 long but the underhull is more like 310, it's not that competitive against full blown race boards it wont quite live with a laser upwind but will take it apart off wind in a blow, in sub planing I'd put it around 1080 handicap wise. They are great fun to race against each other, being easy to sail and uncomplicated, I've got a picture somewhere, I'll maybe look it out later and edit it in, taken in Ireland at an event we ran out there. Here's an idea. We run a fleet of them for demos, how about this as a decider. We get a Fleet of Lasers and a Fleet of Konas then we hold an event where you have to race 3 events on a board and 3 events on a Laser, you lot can have your man whathisname the Olympic guy and I'll take him on, who do you think would win? |
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Black no sugar ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 04 Location: Somewhere between Brighton and Lancing Online Status: Offline Posts: 3941 |
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And your point is? That a road bike's faster than a BMX? I agree that the sailing (both dinghy and windsurfing) have everything to gain in looking at materials and technologies used elsewhere, but I can't see what you style of competition would achieve. Call me stupid again, but a sailboard seems to me quite different from a sailing dinghy. There's a sail alright, but both road bikes and BMXs have 2 wheels. Doesn't make them comparable. |
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gerunamo=] ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 94 |
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grumpf.. as much as i would love the windsurfing to win in your make-believ competition but ive held a race like this... and needless to say the sailboat won and convivncingly until the wind picked up for me to plane consistently... its a matter of what you want to do because... if your a sailor then sailing is your favourite but if your a windsrufer then windsurfing is the best for you.. g=] |
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