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    Posted: 07 Oct 08 at 12:52pm

Originally posted by vscott


And every owner will promote their own class

Nah, don't get a Contender they're rubbish.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Philsy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 08 at 2:46pm
I felt the same about the Vision - just looked cheap. I ended up getting a
Laser 2000 after a short affair with a Xenon (also plastic).

Don't dismiss the Vareo, I'm very seriously considering one for single-
handed sailing. People who own them rate them highly.

There seems to be a culture of sl*gging off boats on this forum, so you
don't always get an unbiased opinion.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote DiverSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 08 at 6:26pm

Thanks for the great responses. I sail at Chichester.  They have a very active Solo fleet, like most clubs several Lasers and then an assortment that make up the handicap fleet.

Solo does look rather dull though perhaps I can be convinced that pipe and slippers are not compulsory!

Yes, my laser sailing has been all on holiday boats so probably not a good representation of the breed though I still feel laser could do with an update from scratch rather than just incremental changes - sort of a Pico with more punch. I did wonder about the Rooster 8.1 mod though.

I like the RS300 but wonder what the learning curve is like on one and how much wind I could cope with.  Stability doesn't look to be on the menu of features.  Chap at RS said it is a lot more extreme than the RS600 for example.

The Blaze ticks a lot of my needs so is certainly on the shortlist.

Perhaps Phil I should also take a look at the Vareo again despite the sl*gging it gets here.

Streaker looks pretty but rather high on PY at 1162 which is even higher than the Solo at 1155.

The Solution is very appealing though I have not seen one in the flesh.

Phantom still loks rather a beast.  Similar sail area to the Blaze but without the wings to help keep the power under control by getting out far enough.

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A new well set up laser feels very different to a 'holiday company thrashed every day in the sun, set up to be rigged fast'  laser, I know I worked for sunsail.

The Vareo would be a good bet if the laser isn't to your liking. It works well with a little more 'righting moment' aboard and the asy downwind is fun.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote blaze720 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 12:26am

If you want a try in a Blaze contact us at Cirrus (www.cirrusrace.com ) or the class association.  Your weight is right in the middle and the boat generally sells itself to a great many.  Might not be what suits you but simply try it and all the the other ones that grab you !  

If you are within striking distance of QMSC on the 18/19th come along and watch the 'Third time Lucky' 2008 Blaze National championships.  The first TWO attempts in June and late September at Stone SC BOTH had to be abandoned after just two races each time in extremely light and fickle winds and strong tide - ie no series and no declared result.  The 2-day Inlands has therefore been renamed and  replaced by 'The Nationals' !  Good opportunity to see plenty of boats and maybe even try - so far in the previous two attempts we have had 58 individual boats turn up on the start lines   .... nobody could write this script !  See Utube 'Blaze 2008 Nationals'  for off water 'activity' ... some at least enjoyed Stone's bar.   

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Originally posted by DiverSteve

I like the RS300 but wonder what the learning curve is like on one and how much wind I could cope with.  Stability doesn't look to be on the menu of features.  Chap at RS said it is a lot more extreme than the RS600 for example.

 

RS300 more extreme then a 600!!! Think the guy got a bit mixed up to be honest. There is a learning curve to the 300 but once you get reasonably good you will be able to sail pretty much anything competitively as it teaches you everything and punishes you when you cock up but you just know when everything goes right.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rockhopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Oct 08 at 10:49am

the vareo will sail to its handicap if you are doing upwind downwind i have overtaken rs 400 when going downwind .

i have had rs300 and vareo the 300 was great relly enjoyed sailing it but after you get the hang of it you find you want more fun again so i went out and bought another vareo which you can sail whatever the weather unlike the 300 which seems really hard work when you have over one meter waves which happens quite alot at our club.i would say gor for a test sail in a vareo you will find it great fun with the kite up not quite so fun upwind but what boat is easy going upwind apart from ones with a trapeze.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote DiverSteve Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 12:53pm

Still chewing over the options.

Quite keen on the Vareo because of spinnaker and capability to take a passenger. Very much like the Blaze and the Solution. Dismissed the RS300 as being unsuited to the erratic winds we get at Chichester.

These are all great boats but relative to older designs like the Phantom and Contender they are quite pricey.

In particular I notice you can pick up Contenders for peanuts.  How do they compare with the modern boats mentioned?  I have never helmed from a trapeze but it looks more comfortable than hiking and better able to cope with more power.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Merlinboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 08 at 1:32pm
A vareo is much much cheaper then the equivalent phantom!!
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