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G.R.F.
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Topic: Strategy in tide??Posted: 29 Sep 08 at 5:12pm |
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That's a contradiction in terms RYA & Tactics
Well it is in our world (windsurfing) as tactically clueless a bunch as ever failed to spot a wind bending into a tidal lee bow as ever sailed..
I must give it a read, if only for a chortle, you never know, it always pays to take the time, just in case someone brings something new to the table. Edited by G.R.F. |
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mike ellis
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Posted: 29 Sep 08 at 6:05pm |
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tidal lee bow? i assume this isn't the same as having the tide on your lee bow (i understand that). Is a tidal lee bow something to do with the tide giving you a header or something? And how does the tide bend the wind??????? I'm happy to admit i'm totally clueless as to any of what GRF is saying. I think i understand Rushall's book though. And i've been sailing in tides for years. Edited by mike ellis |
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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Roy Race
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Posted: 29 Sep 08 at 6:11pm |
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Not wrong at all. Nice to see someone who doesn't immediately snort coffee all over their keyboards at the mention of the words "lee" and "bow"! I guess your description depends on how many other boats are racing and therefore how hard it would be to tack off. It's probably easier to reduce this to a scenario where you're the only boat and can tack at will, just for the sake of simplifying things. So if the scenario is: no other boats, line dead square to true wind, windward mark plumb straight towards true wind, tide right to left and constant up the course, then in most wind strengths I'd start on port at the down-tide (left) end of the line. This way, I'd get to do the biggest amount of the lee-bow tack possible, which is always, always, always the golden rule when sailing in tide. If the tidal strength isn't constant up the course, say it's stronger nearer the w/ward mark, then the thing to do would be to go middle-left and set up so you approach the mark on starboard, doing your lee-bow tack in the strongest tide. |
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Posted: 29 Sep 08 at 6:13pm |
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Roy Race
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Posted: 29 Sep 08 at 6:14pm |
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Also, in the above scenario with constant tide, it's important to remember that port will be the longer tack, so you'd better have a damn good reason not to do it first.
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Roy Race
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Posted: 29 Sep 08 at 6:35pm |
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As you can see, by starting downtide, boat A sails less distance to the top mark than boat B, who starts uptide. The differences in course are marked in blue. This would apply in most wind strengths. In very light air however, I'd start at the uptide end, so if it turns into a crapshoot, there's something in the bank. |
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Posted: 29 Sep 08 at 6:45pm |
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Where is the wind on your diagram? and I mean the true wind not the sailing wind. |
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mike ellis
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Posted: 29 Sep 08 at 6:49pm |
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it looks like it's straight down the page to me.
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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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Roy Race
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Posted: 29 Sep 08 at 6:57pm |
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Oops! True wind straight down the screen, due north if you like. "Sailing" or "Tidal" wind gets knocked left by the tide, hence the lift on port. I agree that a top-rate race officer would compensate by dropping the pin-end to leeward and moving the w/ward mark to the left. If that was the case, then the blue lines would be back to equal length, as they would be if there was no tide. |
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Oatsandbeans
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Posted: 29 Sep 08 at 7:08pm |
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I think that I am in agreement with Rich Perkins, and am complete
dissagreement with the "lee bow effect" man - but I will have to remind myself about this next time and not start at the uptide end of the line. PS and if you want my views on what is written in books - well how many books go on about the "leebow effect" and starting uptide, well they are probably not worth the paper they are printed on!! |
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