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    Posted: 27 May 08 at 10:19pm
Originally posted by HannahJ

in wind there's no WAY you'd get bored in a Mirror! 


yeah ok, probably quite fun in F8+.  Otherwise small and dull and slow. 

In truth we enjoyed them as rank beginners but had more fun in the pico that came next.
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other than being gutted that you do not want an enterprise....

 

.... I would say an old 12 would be perfect for you. on an inland an AC 12 (one with a single floor) will be competative in handicap racing, perfect for your weight and crew layout, and interesting enough to keep both you and your crew from gett6ing bored.  good little circuit too that will not leave the boat behind if you do the AC racing. Always have been 10-12 yr olds crewing for the best sailors on our puddle and they are very VERY hard to beat, with the crews coming off the water with a huge grin.

pick up a good one for £500-£1000 and they will never loose their value as long as they are maintained.  Look on their site for all the designs, and waste a good 5 hours reading about all the history of the boats.

 

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The Mirror is a great little boat, but in a year you may have grown out of it weigh wise.

RS200, great boat.  I started sailing it when I was 16/17 and my brother was 12.  We had an all up weight of 15 stone... great fun in F2, but spent 95% of the time in the water in F4.  I sold it to a father and son, who were about the same weight/experience as you.
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Get a Tasar, great for parent/child teams and next year you'd probably be above minimum weight anyway. They're easy to rig and the mark system will help him change settings on different points of sail. 



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Why not a feva or a mirror , you can have the option if you want to use the spinniaker or not. 
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How about a 405 - somewhere between a FEVA and a 3000. Would be a fantastic boat to get your son into sailing with his mates and you can sail together too. They can be had in the region of 500-1000 pounds and there is an active circuit for racing and training.
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If you're near-ish north west london, then may I introduce the Welsh Harp? (blatant plug).  It's all fleet racing so there's loads of people for advice etc.  Classes at the various different clubs include: GP14, Firefly, Mirror, Merlin Rocket/MRX, RS200.  I'd suggest the Firefly or Mirror - in wind there's no WAY you'd get bored in a Mirror! Also great for young-uns (or not so young *raises hand*) to sail with friends once they've got the hang of it.
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Dont rule out kites (not asymetric ones anyway) or even trapezes.

Having a kite makes light air sailing sooo much more fun and trapezes are less hard than they look, lots of fun when you work it and allow light people to carry more sail power.

You'd soon be bored in a mirror. 

A feva would be fun for a while (tiny kite). 

You'd manage a laser 2000 in a light wind, or on a beam reach in a stronger one (sailed one in F4/5 with my son when he was 8 - but we couldn't head up wind!) but you might have trouble pulling it out of the water (oooh so heavvvy). 

But an RS200 is a real bet (though a bit wobbly perhaps) and a National 12 is similar if you want something more unique - but be careful there are many different designs and some are harder to sail than others.

If you feel up to a trapeze (and my kids did from age 9 up), the 3000 is good value and sailable by hiking-only, up to F2/3.  Original laser hulls (£1500 and up) can now be upgraded with more modern sails and controls - or even with a new lightweight hull: www.3000class.org.uk for info and test sails.

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On the "find a club front"

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If you're in North/East london, can I suggest King George SC, on the Lea valley? We're one of the smaller, friendlier clubs, but with a a decent sized patch of water.

Unfortunately, however, joining us wouldn't solve your boat choice dilemma easily, as the only single-class fleet we have is Solos. For other boats, we run two handicap fleets, Fast and Slow, with the cut-off at about PY 1000 (with some caveats).

If you fancy coming for a look, Sundays are best. It's advisable to arrange in advance with an existing mebmber, as we've a big security fence round the site with a gate that has to be kept locked- which does mean the boat park is pretty safe. PM me if you're interested.

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I wouldn't rule out spinnaker boats so readily. One of the things about assymetrics is that they are dead easy to start on. As said, the 200s have plenty of "family" teams sailing them- similarly with the Laser 2000 (which is perhaps a bit more stable a boat). You don't always have to use the kite, certainly not till the lad's a bit more confident- or in light winds, you can play it.

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Depends on your budget.

£6k ish I'd get an NS14.

If you are looking for a cheap club boat £600 > £1500 I'd be going for a N12 something like a Tigress or Design 8. Could also look at a Mirror. Sail it with your son until he gets the idea and then hook him up with another kid at your club. And then get something for yourself.

In between? Maybe look at a FEVA.

Obviously there is a big contrast in performance with these boats so you'll have to figure that in too.

FEVA may be a good compromise.

For me it would be the NS14 every time.





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